dave mcbride Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 Makes a ton of sense (the Bills' interest, that is). As I've said elsewhere, Darnold would be a damn fool to stay in college because he's going #1 overall if he comes out. He'll learn more playing for a pro team next year (and be a lot wealthier) than if he stays in the Pac-12 regardless of whether he's a day one starter or not. Does anyone here think Jared Goff regrets coming out as a junior and taking his lumps for the Rams last year?
xRUSHx Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, Dr. Who said: I might not have been clear. Sorry to have been confusing. Certainly, one would need either SF or Chicago to lose out. Otherwise, Browns and Giants are locked into the first two picks. Yolo is convinced the Browns will trade the pick, but I can't believe even they are that stupid. I kind of agree that Cleveland could trade out. They have been bad for so long and have Kiser, I would think they would grab a QB later in the first while adding more picks that could have them stocked up to make one heck of team. This draft has some interesting choices for QBs but I think Cleveland will build around and then take a later QB to fight Kiser in 2019, just MO.
dave mcbride Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I might not have been clear. Sorry to have been confusing. Certainly, one would need either SF or Chicago to lose out. Otherwise, Browns and Giants are locked into the first two picks. Yolo is convinced the Browns will trade the pick, but I can't believe even they are that stupid. The Giants will win at least one for Eli before it's all said and done. 3 of their final 4 are at home. 11 hours ago, TigerJ said: Interesting. There are a lot of hurdles though. Darnold is said to be mulling the idea of returning to school for his senior season. If he doesn't there is the question of where his value lies. There's no doubt he's a first round pick, but I think there is some question how high he could be picked and still be a good value. Some prognosticators think he will be the first play taken in the draft, but others have several other QBs rated higher. The question for Buffalo is how much are they willing to over pay for the right to draft him. They can either over pay or gamble that he drops. Then, it's also possible that Beane is pulling a few pages from the books of other GMs and blowing Sam Darnold smoke when the player he really covets is someone else entirely. I like Darnold and he might be able to start his first year, but there are some things he's got to work on. He does have a really good pedigree as many in his family have been quality athletes in a number of sports. He will be the top pick, and I can't imagine him not coming out given that likelihood. He's not at USC for school. Both his father and grandfather were college football players, and his mom is a phys ed teacher, for chrissake. 1
Dr. Who Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, xRUSHx said: I kind of agree that Cleveland could trade out. They have been bad for so long and have Kiser, I would think they would grab a QB later in the first while adding more picks that could have them stocked up to make one heck of team. This draft has some interesting choices for QBs but I think Cleveland will build around and then take a later QB to fight Kiser in 2019, just MO. Yeah, I don't know how the Browns view Kizer. If they truly think he can develop into a franchise qb, they could trade out. If that pick is available and at the top of the draft, we better pony up the assets and go get it. 1
xRUSHx Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: That's the thing. The top dogs in the draft like Allen and Darnold has had very underwhelming seasons. It was the borderline 2nd to 3rd guys like Falk, Rudolph and Mayfield who had similar or better years then the so called franchise QBs. The one QB that is the exception is Rosen but I don't see anyway he doesn't go #1. I'd rather use a first on Mayfield or a 2nd on Falk then use 2 1sts on Darnold/Allen. Lamar Jackson is considered a top 10 pick and has had a great year but he takes a lot of risks that he will not be allowed to have at the NFL level. We need a more prototypical QB and Jackson is not that. I have been changing my feelings about this class lately, I think Rudolph stock is going to climb and man I do not want Jackson at all on the Bills. Not a fan of Allen either, I like Mayfield but a little worried about him on the Bills. I want the Bills to move up and get the guy they want not hope for a QB to fall to them. I hate when a team says we got our guy when all they did was take what was left. 5 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Yeah, I don't know how the Browns view Kizer. If they truly think he can develop into a franchise qb, they could trade out. If that pick is available and at the top of the draft, we better pony up the assets and go get it. I think I will lose my mind if we get Rosen, I want Rosen bigtime Edited December 5, 2017 by xRUSHx 1
dave mcbride Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 11 hours ago, PABillsfan23 said: Reminds me of Dalton.. No thanks You're joking, right? Their games aren't even remotely alike. 1
Pirate Angel Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 I hope not..USC quarterback are bad in the pros. Carson Palmer is the apex.
Dr. Who Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, BILLriant said: I hope not..USC quarterback are bad in the pros. Carson Palmer is the apex. That's a generalization. Maybe Darnold is set to be the apex. I think Rosen and Darnold are the best options out there and both can be very good.
Jacobo Peterman Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 15 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Sam Darnold’s grandfather was named Dick Hammer. He was an actor that played the Marlboro Man, and also played football at USC. That’s cool. In an interview on National Sports Radio he mentioned that his grandfather was in the Olympics, had a career has a LA County Firefighter and was in the TV show Emergency. Also in the epic film Stalion Canyon ,he played the role of Luke not the Stallion.
Big Turk Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, SoTier said: The Seahawks already had a talented team when they went without first round picks in 3 drafts, dude! They weren't trying to build up talent on a team that's full of JAGs, career STers, and PS refugees. Oh, and they haven't been quite so "fine" either. Russell Wilson, another QB the Bills could have taken but chose a WR bust instead, is like 80-90% of their offense and the only reason they don't have a losing record this season. The assumption is that all first round picks are all proor pro bowl players. The reality is most are not, many are busts and many others are just OK. In football more than any other sport you can find very talented players in mid rounds and late rounds. That's what the Seahawks did so well... Kam Chancellor(5th) Richard Sherman(5th) Byron Maxwell(6th) KJ Wright(4th) Bobby Wagner(2nd) Russell Wilson(3rd) Doug Baldwin(UDFA) Max Unger(2nd) Golden Tate(2nd) Tyler Lockett(3rd) These players have combined for 7 first team All-Pro selections and 20 Pro-Bowls(21 if you include Justin Forsett's pro bowl with the Ravens...he was drafted in the 6th round by Seattle) When you can draft this well in the mid and late rounds you can afford to give up first round picks when needed... Edited December 5, 2017 by matter2003
dave mcbride Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, BILLriant said: I hope not..USC quarterback are bad in the pros. Carson Palmer is the apex. That was the meme about Michigan QBs from the 1960s through the 1990s. And the meme about John Teaford-coached QBs for about a decade or so. Then Brady and Rodgers came along. Never judge the school; always judge the player instead. 2 minutes ago, matter2003 said: The assumption is that all first round picks are all pro players. The reality is most are not, many are busts and many others are just OK. In football more than any other sport you can find very talented players in mid rounds and late rounds. That's what the Seahawks did so well... Kam Chancellor(5th) Richard Sherman(5th) Byron Maxwell(6th) KJ Wright(4th) Bobby Wagner(2nd) Russell Wilson(3rd) Doug Baldwin(UDFA) Max Unger(2nd) Golden Gate(2nd) Tyler Lockett(3rd) These players have combined for 7 first team All-Pro selections and 20 Pro-Bowls(21 if you include Justin Forsett's pro bowl with the Ravens...he was drafted in the 6th round by Seattle) When you can draft this well in the mid and late rounds you can afford to give up picks when needed... Their best defensive player (arguably) -- Michael Bennett -- wasn't even drafted. 1
xRUSHx Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: That was the meme about Michigan QBs from the 1960s through the 1990s. And the meme about John Teaford-coached QBs for about a decade or so. Then Brady and Rodgers came along. Never judge the school; always judge the player instead. Good post man but sadly I have been sour on Clemson players here, lol had me thinking of my own bias, sorry carry on.
Mat68 Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 I would like Darnold. Need a bigger guy in the northeast. They have plenty of picks to move up.
Alphadawg7 Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 15 hours ago, fridge said: I saw him in person this year and made a point to focus on his awareness. Let's just say that I don't get the hype. Darnolds hype stems from last year a lot more that its been from this year. If you isolated his tape from just this year he wouldn't be any than the 4th or 5th prospect at QB this year, and may be a fringe first rounder. Thats the rub with Darnold...which guy is the guy you are drafting? He has all the tools, and I was high on Darnold too coming into the season, but he hasn't looked like a slam dunk prospect this year and struggles with consistency. While I would still love to get him, I am concerned about spending too much to get him. If we have to go all the way up to #2, thats going to likely cost a bounty and he is inherently more risky now to spend that much to get him.
dave mcbride Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Darnolds hype stems from last year a lot more that its been from this year. If you isolated his tape from just this year he wouldn't be any than the 4th or 5th prospect at QB this year, and may be a fringe first rounder. Thats the rub with Darnold...which guy is the guy you are drafting? He has all the tools, and I was high on Darnold too coming into the season, but he hasn't looked like a slam dunk prospect this year and struggles with consistency. While I would still love to get him, I am concerned about spending too much to get him. If we have to go all the way up to #2, thats going to likely cost a bounty and he is inherently more risky now to spend that much to get him. He has been a little inconsistent, but let's not make too much of this. He has had an objectively good season (26 TDs to 12 INTs and 8.7 ypa; his completion pct was higher than Rosen's too) against big-time competition (relatively speaking), and he played extremely well against a good Stanford team in the championship game. Indeed, he has a penchant for playing well in big games (UCLA, Stanford, Penn State). SC lost at Wazzoo 30-27, but that is a really tough place to play. SC stunk vs ND, but every great player has a bad game now and then.
Marty McFly Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 14 hours ago, matter2003 said: I just want the Bills to identify their guy and then pay whatever price they need to get him. I dont care about future first round picks. Teams do just fine without them when they make these moves...Seattle went 3 or 4 straight drafts with no first round pick in the middle of their super bowl runs and it had no real effect on them. Word. im on with that sht. Just sign a legitimate prospect. IDC who it is as long as they play good and have potential. 45 minutes ago, matter2003 said: In football more than any other sport you can find very talented players in mid rounds and late rounds. That's what the Seahawks did so well... Kam Chancellor(5th) Richard Sherman(5th) Byron Maxwell(6th) KJ Wright(4th) Bobby Wagner(2nd) Russell Wilson(3rd) Doug Baldwin(UDFA) Max Unger(2nd) Golden Tate(2nd) Tyler Lockett(3rd) That is an insane amount of talent in the lower draft rounds. Its basically finding the talent not the hype. 18 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Darnolds hype stems from last year a lot more that its been from this year. If you isolated his tape from just this year he wouldn't be any than the 4th or 5th prospect at QB this year, and may be a fringe first rounder. Thats the rub with Darnold...which guy is the guy you are drafting? He has all the tools, and I was high on Darnold too coming into the season, but he hasn't looked like a slam dunk prospect this year and struggles with consistency. While I would still love to get him, I am concerned about spending too much to get him. If we have to go all the way up to #2, thats going to likely cost a bounty and he is inherently more risky now to spend that much to get him. I wonder whos gonna have the better career Mahomes or Watson. Watson flashed early and got hurt. Bills coulda pulled the trigger on either one at 10 and missed out. I dont want us to make the mistake again. Find the right talent, ignore the hype, and sign. Just get that sht done, everyone knows we need a QB
stony Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 R 1 hour ago, xRUSHx said: I agree Rosen is top dog in this draft. As for Darnold he already lost some of his stock for this draft and is now #2 IMO if he stays and flops after another year in school his stock could push him down even more, maybe even out of the 1st round for 2019 draft. I think it would be silly for him to not enter the NFL in this draft. I think Darnold is a good fit for the Giants and Rosen a great fit for the Buffalo Bills . Rosen also played on a reallllyyyyyy bad team and still got to six wins while USC was top 10. If some team with a little bit of talent traded up for him, I think he's plug and play from day 1. 1
Jay_Fixit Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Kmart128 said: That's the thing. The top dogs in the draft like Allen and Darnold has had very underwhelming seasons. It was the borderline 2nd to 3rd guys like Falk, Rudolph and Mayfield who had similar or better years then the so called franchise QBs. The one QB that is the exception is Rosen but I don't see anyway he doesn't go #1. I'd rather use a first on Mayfield or a 2nd on Falk then use 2 1sts on Darnold/Allen. Lamar Jackson is considered a top 10 pick and has had a great year but he takes a lot of risks that he will not be allowed to have at the NFL level. We need a more prototypical QB and Jackson is not that. Darnold didn’t have an underwhelming season whatsoever. And USC won the PAC-12. Sure he made some dumb throws but he had a good year. And he showed he’s an NFL talent. Guy should be going back for one more year though. Which I think he is.
aristocrat Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Yeah, I don't know how the Browns view Kizer. If they truly think he can develop into a franchise qb, they could trade out. If that pick is available and at the top of the draft, we better pony up the assets and go get it. their front office is gonna get canned and will not hang themselves hoping kizer develops. they will take a qb and if kizer has talent they trade him like the pats did with jimmy.
TigerJ Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: The Giants will win at least one for Eli before it's all said and done. 3 of their final 4 are at home. He will be the top pick, and I can't imagine him not coming out given that likelihood. He's not at USC for school. Both his father and grandfather were college football players, and his mom is a phys ed teacher, for chrissake. I am a relatively casual observer of NFL prospects in college. My observation is that among those who take prospect watching far more seriously, there is absolutely no consensus about who the top QB is, or who will be the top pick in the draft. For example: I just looked at a random list of most of the mock drafts published on the internet over the past 6 days. Of the 14 mocks, Sam Darnold is the top overall pick in three of them. Josh Rosen is the top pick in 8 of them. Lamar Jackson is named in two of them and Saquon Barkley in one. I don't know that any of these mock drafts have been produced by former NFL GMs or any kind of certified experts. I am pretty sure that you are not an expert either. You are welcome to your opinion. Just please remember that's all it is, just like mine.
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