Gronk committed deliberate, intentional, and defenseless criminal assault with his metal elbow brace

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

I agree with this.  My knee-jerk reaction was to toss him from the game, fine him and suspend him for a game.  But I like the idea of a suspension for the remainder of the regular season and a mammoth fine.

I'd add in at least one post-season game suspension too. It's just unbelievably malicious watching that replay. Say a five game suspension in total which would go into the Pats first playoff game.

[folz]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

An elbow brace isn’t a deadly weapon. Stop being ridiculous. It was a dirty play and I hope he gets suspended but get real if you think he should be charged with a crime.

 

I don't think Gronk should be charged criminally (big suspension and fine yes), but in the court of law, anything can be considered a deadly weapon if used as such. A car, a knife, a bat, a lead pipe, a statue, a chair, etc. can all be considered deadly weapons if they are wielded as such. Gronk did use the brace as a weapon.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

You guys know he isn't even going to be suspended, right?

 

yes, we do, which is why the bills should sign three guys off the street whose ONLY job in two weeks is to get gronk carted off in a neck brace in an ambulance.

 

[corta765]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

You don't get it, do you?  All of those Burfict hits and the one by Kiko occurred as part of a football play.  Gronkowski's assault occurred when White was lying on the ground, well after he was tagged by another Patriot.  

 

Makes no difference to me dirty is dirty whether during the play or after and stupidity happens regardless. If we are going to start saying people should be arrested for assault after plays the same can be applied during the game. It was an awful dirty play that occurred in the long list of ones done by players in the NFL and sports in general. If he receives a one game suspension or none then yea I'll be mad as hell. But otherwise if he gets a few games then it is what it is from there. I would expect the Bills to probably take some liberties comes the 24th though and if I was coach of the Bills I'd tell my players to do as much.

[YoloinOhio]

14 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

Just watch the Steelers Bengals WC game for starters from 2 years ago for starters. Burfict alone has a highlight real worth of hits.

 

Kiko Alonso on Joe Flacco a few weeks ago for starters or as I said above the entire Bengals Steelers WC game was a straight joke by both teams.

The hit was after the play was over. Were those hits also after the play was over, or were they “dirty hits” on the field of play?

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I'd add in at least one post-season game suspension too. It's just unbelievably malicious watching that replay. Say a five game suspension in total which would go into the Pats first playoff game.

 

That's never going to happen.  Gronk has been squeaky clean his entire career.  He screwed up.  But I don't think an unprecedented suspension is in order.  Players get far less for actually assaulting women who aren't wearing pads and helmets.

[Bangarang]

5 minutes ago, folz said:

 

I don't think Gronk should be charged criminally (big suspension and fine yes), but in the court of law, anything can be considered a deadly weapon if used as such. A car, a knife, a bat, a lead pipe, a statue, a chair, etc. can all be considered deadly weapons if they are wielded as such. Gronk did use the brace as a weapon.

 

 

https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/deadly-weapon/

 

Maybe the lawyers here can chime in but in terms of law enforcement, an elbow brace doesn’t meet the criteria of being considered a deadly weapon. Maybe deadly instrument but you’re still probably reaching.

Edited December 4, 2017 by Bangarang

[Jerry Jabber]

Rob Gronkowski is the “Cowboy” Bob Orton of the NFL. For those that didn’t follow the WWE (then WWF) back in the 80’s, “Cowboy” Bob Orton wore a cast on his arm for two years and used to nail opponents with it when the ref wasn’t looking. Gronk wears this ridiculous oversized arm brace (which covers 2/3 of his arm), uses it as a weapon to push off. I used to root for Gronkowski because he’s from the Buffalo area as well as being Polish, but after seeing him deliver a vicious elbow with that arm brace to the back of White’s head, I think he’s a piece of trash and deserves to be suspended (multiple games) and fined heavily. Plus, he should not be able to wear that ridiculously oversized arm brace anymore.  

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

An elbow brace isn’t a deadly weapon.

 

Wrong. In court anything can be considered a deadly weapon. I don’t think some of you guys understand how dangerous this hit was. It was not just a late hit or incidental contact during a football play. He threw his full body weight onto a player’s head while leading with a metal brace. That’s a crime. It doesn’t matter if they’re playing a game.

[Wayne Arnold]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

That's never going to happen.  Gronk has been squeaky clean his entire career.  He screwed up.  But I don't think an unprecedented suspension is in order.  Players get far less for actually assaulting women who aren't wearing pads and helmets.

 

When they're caught on video, it ends their careers.

[mannc]

Just now, corta765 said:

 

Makes no difference to me dirty is dirty whether during the play or after and stupidity happens regardless. If we are going to start saying people should be arrested for assault after plays the same can be applied during the game. It was an awful dirty play that occurred in the long list of ones done by players in the NFL and sports in general. If he receives a one game suspension or none then yea I'll be mad as hell. But otherwise if he gets a few games then it is what it is from there. I would expect the Bills to probably take some liberties comes the 24th though and if I was coach of the Bills I'd tell my players to do as much.

It makes a huge difference.  It can mean the difference between a mere unnecessary roughness penalty and a criminal act.  You've been asked to name the five other actions that you believe were worse than one Gronk did and all you did was refer to a bunch of dirty hits that happened during the course of a football play.  None of them comes close.

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, corta765 said:

If we are going to start saying people should be arrested for assault after plays the same can be applied during the game.

 

This shows your extreme ignorance of the legal system. Quit while you’re ahead.

[Gugny]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

When they're caught on video, it ends their careers.

 

As it should.

 

What Gronk did does not compare.  Not even in the same universe.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

That's never going to happen.  Gronk has been squeaky clean his entire career.  He screwed up.  But I don't think an unprecedented suspension is in order.  Players get far less for actually assaulting women who aren't wearing pads and helmets.

Unless video surfaces of the assault, then said player is suspended indefinitely (Ray Rice). We have video of this and it was an unprecedented act on the field while play was stopped. I don't see anything wrong with 5 games. I know it won't happen but it's wishful thinking.

[mannc]

7 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I'd add in at least one post-season game suspension too. It's just unbelievably malicious watching that replay. Say a five game suspension in total which would go into the Pats first playoff game.

He should be done for the year, including the playoffs. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

As it should.

 

What Gronk did does not compare.  Not even in the same universe.

 

So then asking for just 5 games is just. We aren't asking to end his career or suspend him indefinitely. 

[Wayne Arnold]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

As it should.

 

What Gronk did does not compare.  Not even in the same universe.

 

Agreed. Which is why he shouldn't have his career taken away, just suspended for a significant amount of time.

[Paulus]

20 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

Broncos vs Cam Newton season opener in 2016 especially Stewart on Newton. Or Kiko on Flacco this season was far worse to me.

I think you're missing the point that no football was being played when Gronk did his thing. 

[corta765]

6 minutes ago, mannc said:

It makes a huge difference.  It can mean the difference between a mere unnecessary roughness penalty and a criminal act.  You've been asked to name the five other actions that you believe were worse than one Gronk did and all you did was refer to a bunch of dirty hits that happened during the course of a football play.  None of them comes close.

 

BS. I play hockey and have seen guys run another during a game with a clear intent to injure. I have seen the same after the whistle is blowing or a stick swung to injure. So no I don't separate the game from when the play happens and after because in both cases people act like complete jack a**es. Bertuzzi straight up mugged Moore during the game while the happening and broke his neck.

 

I've said repeatedly Gronks play was stupid and dangerous. I do not believe it was done with intent to injure however, I do believe he wanted to hit him because he was pissed off he even said as much after.. That doesn't matter because the outcome took our guy out and he should be suspended 3-5 games. Burfict's hit on Brown could've killed or broke his neck and his track record says as much that he is a straight thug when he plays.

Edited December 4, 2017 by corta765

[Runninrams]

oh the irony in the reactions here is amazing.

 

didnt half of you just spend a week asking someone to "just take the 15 yards" and intentionally injure Brady??  the second someone takes the exact shot you were calling for you start tripping over yourselves crying and complaining about the "audacity" and "respect"