Gugny Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, Lfod said: So if you put yourself in Tre White shoes I'm assuming you tell everyone it's not a big deal and it's just the NFL? Wow. That is EXACTLY what I would do!! Very impressive how you deduced that from absolutely !@#$ing nothing!
JohnBonhamRocks Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 It's just not assault. I wish it were, but it's not. It should be more than a 1-game suspension. I wish it will be, but it won't. 100% agree with the poster who said P. Brown should wear panties all week. Pitts, too. "Family"... psh, okay, sure.
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 If I’m the Bills, I tell Sir Rog that he needs to be suspended for at least as many games as White missed or there will be criminal charges filed.
cba fan Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 Gronk should be suspended for the Bills game. 1
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: It's just not assault. I wish it were, but it's not. It should be more than a 1-game suspension. I wish it will be, but it won't. 100% agree with the poster who said P. Brown should wear panties all week. Pitts, too. "Family"... psh, okay, sure. Sure it’s assault. WTF are you talking about?
JohnBonhamRocks Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Doc said: Sure it’s assault. WTF are you talking about? OK, let me clarify. I think it's assault, but I do not think anyone who has any power to do anything is going to argue it's assault. Edit: There's also a slippery slope here. How long after the hit until it becomes assault? 1 second? 2 seconds? I wish it weren't the case, but it being on a football field unfortunately makes a practical difference. Edited December 4, 2017 by JohnBonhamRocks
dorquemada Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Wow. That is EXACTLY what I would do!! Very impressive how you deduced that from absolutely !@#$ing nothing! so with 400 million posts I dont expect you to heed this advice, but maybe quit while you're ahead
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, dorquemada said: I agree that 'pro sports' isn't ready to cross that line, but it isn't really up to them. An enterprising DA can make this decision and pursue a case with or without the cooperation of the NFL or the Buffalo Bills. Very interesting point, imagine the publicity, yes this is something an enterprising DA could use to boost his/her career. Instant national publicity and hero worship in WNY.
Paulus Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 57 minutes ago, Gugny said: Hyperbole much? It was a dirty hit. Very dirty. But no one came close to dying and he shouldn't be brought up on criminal charges. This wasn't a curling match, for Christ's sake. Bertuzzi got criminal charges for his hit on Moore, I believe. Certainly, not out of the realm. 1
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: OK, let me clarify. I think it's assault, but I do not think anyone who has any power to do anything is going to argue it's assault. If the NFL decides not to suspend hm, I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Edited December 4, 2017 by Doc
Gugny Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, dorquemada said: so with 400 million posts I dont expect you to heed this advice, but maybe quit while you're ahead With my 400,000,001st post, I will ask you this: Ahead in what? This is a conversation; not a debate.
mannc Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 23 minutes ago, Gugny said: It's a lot different than that. Come on, man. Ok, I'll bite. How is it different?
Lfod Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) I think you consider the severity of the action. Put it on a scale. Out of everything you could possibly do wrong after a play were does it rank in your mind? Could you think of a worse thing a player can do? Then you let the punishment fit the crime. There's a difference between a speeding ticket and committing murder. You let the punishment equal the severity of the action or you send the wrong message. It looked to me he had the intent to hurt the dude. It wasn't a welcome to the NFL love tap. It was ok you intercepted a ball thrown to me I am going to hurt you after the play. That's a calculated thought out move to hurt some one who made a play on you. Edited December 4, 2017 by Lfod
mannc Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Paulus said: Bertuzzi got criminal charges for his hit on Moore, I believe. Certainly, not out of the realm. I agree. I don't know if Gronk has a prior criminal record, but if he does, this could be a serious matter for him.
Gugny Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, mannc said: Ok, I'll bite. How is it different? First - I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I don't think there are similarities. I do. I just think using a baseball bat as a weapon is a lot worse than using an arm brace. I get that Gronk used all of his body weight and clearly aimed his brace into White's helmet. But a bat ... I just think it would be worse and a lot more dangerous.
dorquemada Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, Gugny said: First - I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I don't think there are similarities. I do. I just think using a baseball bat as a weapon is a lot worse than using an arm brace. I get that Gronk used all of his body weight and clearly aimed his brace into White's helmet. But a bat ... I just think it would be worse and a lot more dangerous. Brass knuckles are considered a deadly weapon and illegal in most places. A steel gauntlet isn't much different, especially given who is wielding it
mannc Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Gugny said: First - I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I don't think there are similarities. I do. I just think using a baseball bat as a weapon is a lot worse than using an arm brace. I get that Gronk used all of his body weight and clearly aimed his brace into White's helmet. But a bat ... I just think it would be worse and a lot more dangerous. So you think a 270 lb rock-head diving and throwing his entire body weight on a much smaller man's head is less dangerous than striking someone with a baseball bat? I'll stand by my analogy. Gronkowski belongs in jail.
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Brass knuckles are considered a deadly weapon and illegal in most places. A steel gauntlet isn't much different, especially given who is wielding it If the NFL is going to waste millions on deflategate then they the NFl really needs to examine that elbow brace to determine how much of a weapon it really could be. 2 minutes ago, mannc said: So you think a 270 lb rock-head diving and throwing his entire body weight on a much smaller man's head is less dangerous than striking someone with a baseball bat? I'll stand by my analogy. Gronkowski belongs in jail. As I wrote earlier, notice Gronk's footwork before he pile drives at his head, he was lining himself up to get max force to his head, it was about as willful an act as I have ever seen on a football field. Only player comes close if N. Duh.
stevewin Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 39 minutes ago, mannc said: You are missing the crucial (and, I thought obvious) point that what Gronk did was well after the play had ended. It had nothing to do with a football play. It was a cowardly assault, no different from a batter clubbing an unsuspecting catcher with his bat between pitches. I am amazed you can’t see that. Or a pitcher throwing at a batters head while he's stepped out of the batter's box and is looking at the base coach for signals, not paying any attention to the pitcher
Paulus Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, mannc said: I agree. I don't know if Gronk has a prior criminal record, but if he does, this could be a serious matter for him. "Serious" as in community service.
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