MarkAF43 Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 He won't be suspended, he'll get a fine and that'll be it. He apologized remember?
YoloinOhio Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 2:50 PM, Coach Tuesday said: You guys know he isn't even going to be suspended, right? Expand No, we don’t. Please enlighten us.
Gugny Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 2:55 PM, mannc said: You are missing the crucial (and, I thought obvious) point that what Gronk did was well after the play had ended. It had nothing to do with a football play. It was a cowardly assault, no different from a batter clubbing an unsuspecting catcher with his bat between pitches. I am amazed you can’t see that. Expand It's a lot different than that. Come on, man.
BuffaloWings Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) On 12/4/2017 at 2:28 PM, YoloinOhio said: Correct. Even Rodney Harrison said last night he would be in jail if this happened on the street. Expand And he made it perfectly clear that Gronkowski should be suspended...a former Patriot, too. My worry is that since Crabtree & Talib had their suspensions reduced from 2 games to 1 for their all-over-the-field, temper-tantrum spat, then Gronkowski will get a fine and a wrist-slap. As mush as this may sound like sour grapes, you can't convince me that Gronk isn't roiding it up. Don't give me the "heat of the battle" argument, either. Edited December 4, 2017 by BuffaloWings
dorquemada Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 2:59 PM, Gugny said: It's a lot different than that. Come on, man. Expand
BadLandsMeanie Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 Dont forget the waters are muddied. Goodell is up for contract renewal. Is Kraft a supporter? Will Kraft turn on him if Gronk is suspended? 1
BillsFan130 Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 2:31 PM, Wayne Arnold said: Expand Preston Brown is honestly the biggest Coward. Just stands there and points to the ref instead of belting Gronk
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 Interesting point. If a baseball player swings his bat at a player's head would there be criminal charges? Should be.
Lfod Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) On 12/4/2017 at 2:59 PM, Gugny said: It's a lot different than that. Come on, man. Expand So if you put yourself in Tre White shoes I'm assuming you tell everyone it's not a big deal and it's just the NFL? Edited December 4, 2017 by Lfod
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 2:50 PM, Coach Tuesday said: You guys know he isn't even going to be suspended, right? Expand Oh, he will be.
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 2:59 PM, Gugny said: It's a lot different than that. Come on, man. Expand Not so sure about that. I would like to know what the elbow brace is made of, direct and powerful elbow to the head with a brace, gronk putting all his body weight in it. Notice Gronk's footwork before he rears up to gain more leverage to come down on his head. The more you look at it the more deliberate and disgusting it is, he set up tre white for as forceful an impact as possible.
dorquemada Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 3:03 PM, Mrbojanglezs said: Interesting point. If a baseball player swings his bat at a player's head would there be criminal charges? Should be. Expand It is an interesting point. Consider this too, the DA in Erie County doesn't need the NFL's permission to file a charge. 2
RyanC883 Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 2:21 PM, Gugny said: Hyperbole much? It was a dirty hit. Very dirty. But no one came close to dying and he shouldn't be brought up on criminal charges. This wasn't a curling match, for Christ's sake. Expand Actually, it was a criminal hit. It was after the play. Hockey players have been charged criminally, and fighting is permitted in the sport. If it was during a play and it was a dirty chop-block, perhaps not criminal. This was.
reginald Posted December 4, 2017 Author Posted December 4, 2017 May not be up to the NFL and Goodell. This should be a law enforcement matter. Gronk intentionally used his "metal elbow" as a deadly weapon. His actions were not part of the game of football. This was assault. 1
RiotAct Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 2:50 PM, Coach Tuesday said: You guys know he isn't even going to be suspended, right? Expand That wouldn’t surprise me.
RyanC883 Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 2:46 PM, ProcessTheTrust said: Real life criminal charges, no. Suspended for the rest of the season to send the message this is unacceptable, yes. But I'm sure Goodell and Kraft and kissed and made up since deflategate, so probably not happening. Expand The DA should file criminal charges if the NFL does not suspend Gronk for at least 2 games--if not the season. Sends the message that if the NFL won't protect players from after the whistle hits, DA's will. On 12/4/2017 at 3:06 PM, reginald said: May not be up to the NFL and Goodell. This should be a law enforcement matter. Gronk intentionally used his "metal elbow" as a deadly weapon. His actions were not part of the game of football. This was assault. Expand BINGO. This is the exact standard used in other cases. Hopefully the Erie County DA takes action if the weak-kneed NFL won't. 1
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 3:05 PM, dorquemada said: It is an interesting point. Consider this too, the DA in Erie County doesn't need the NFL's permission to file a charge. Expand Erie County DA office # is 716-858-2424
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 2:56 PM, May Day 10 said: I agree with this. It seems like an easy decision. Looking at comments sections, even Pats fans agree that it was an awful thing. Such a cowardly and dangerous attack. The decision to suspend is easy, in light of all the factors (including the score/time of the game)... the hard part will be pushing it to more than 1 game (which IMO should be 3-4 games). The NFL will likely come up short. Expand I agree, they will likely come up short. If they suspend Zeke Elliot for what, 6 games, they should suspend Gronk the rest of the regular season but i highly doubt the NFL will have the balls to do that. Entire system for suspensions is a farce.
ProcessTheTrust Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 3:08 PM, RyanC883 said: The DA should file criminal charges if the NFL does not suspend Gronk for at least 2 games--if not the season. Sends the message that if the NFL won't protect players from after the whistle hits, DA's will. Expand I hear ya, but that would cross a line pro sports isn't ready to cross anytime soon. It's a pseudo world of self-governance that doesn't involve real law on field. Out of my own bias, I'd LOVE for you to be right but objectively, I'm not seeing it.
dorquemada Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 2:28 PM, Gugny said: No. It wouldn't. It would be a personal foul; he'd get fined and suspended. Just like what will - and should - happen to Gronkowski. Expand On 12/4/2017 at 3:10 PM, ProcessTheTrust said: I hear ya, but that would cross a line pro sports isn't ready to cross anytime soon. It's a pseudo world of self-governance that doesn't involve real law on field. Out of my own bias, I'd LOVE for you to be right but objectively, I'm not seeing it. Expand I agree that 'pro sports' isn't ready to cross that line, but it isn't really up to them. An enterprising DA can make this decision and pursue a case with or without the cooperation of the NFL or the Buffalo Bills.
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