Anyone know what Hughes said?

[Happy]

9 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The Pats recently took a player, Lee, off of our practice squad.  He was inserted into their starting lineup on defense. In the game against us he was one of the better defensive players in the game. Organizations that are smart and enterprising create their own depth. Competence always wins out over incompetence. 

That was a good call on their part.  It may be a case where their scheme was a better fit for Eric Lee's strengths...a least I hope this is the case.

 

10 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You don't think that the moronic drunken fans shouting out obscenities didn't deserve to be responded to by a player who had a stellar game? 

No doubt there were obscenities shouted at Gronk.  I'm sure Brady got the same treatment.  But when you did something as egregious as Gronk did, you don't walk into the tunnel sticking out your tongue at the fans (moronic, drunken, or not).  Just keep walking.  I hope this is further evidence of his being non-contrite and it comes back to bite him.

[YoloinOhio]

41 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You didn't carefully read and understand what I said. Gronk acknowledged that how he reacted in the White play was wrong. Gronk was constantly being held and mugged in the game. On that particular play where he jumped on White he lost control. And he owned up to it when interviewed in the locker room. 

I read and understood it just fine. He owned up to nothing. He was completely unaccountable for it and showed no remorse via his actions and words. To think he was truly sorry and was not trying to just (very sloppily) cover his ass in that fake apology is very gullible and an attempt to spin a purely disgusting act of a human being, imo. I’m glad he is a “winner” in the football department because in my book, he couldn’t be more of a loser as a person right now. 

 

The fact that he complained about the refs frustrating him to try and excuse his inexcusable actions shows his extreme lack of “self-awareness”

Edited December 4, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[gobills1212]

9 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

Cut him? Seriously? Yes...let's continue to cut talented players because of things like "attitude" and "character" while signing crappy guys with high-character to replace them. That's proven successful with this team so far!

Agreed!! Cut him?? Seriously?? The biggest reason i cant wait for this streak to be broken is so absurd stuff like this can be given a rest.... at least he cared enough to say something. Good for him. He prob said what we were all thinking... #truth

Edited December 4, 2017 by gobills1212

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

This isn't WWE where Gronk can drive his brace into his head and the Ref pretend it didn't happen. 

 

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Did you just use Gronk and “self awareness” and “control” in the same paragraph? Are you comparing what Gronk did to what Hughes did? I’m sorry... Never had an issue before with your well thought out posts even though I didn’t always agree but I just can’t with this. 

You stated it perfectly above. the fact that he half-hearted apologized and then went on to rationalize the hit because of bad officiating, and is getting credit for that, is beyond troubling to me.

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

In the beginning of the year Gilmore was having problems adjusting to the Pats scheme and was not playing well. He was benched. The Pats hold their players accountable. That's one of the main reasons why they are champs. 

 

Hughes is notorious for repeatedly losing his cool and getting penalties. If he played for the Pats it wouldn't happen because he would be either benched or dispatched from the roster. 

Gilmore was not benched, not even close, he was injured. 

 

And no one questions that the Pats are better top to the bottom than the Bills, and almost every other organization in the league. But to say that someone justifies what Gronk did is beyond logic. They could be 38-0 overt he next two years, Gronk's play was extremely undisciplined and i am sure in no league suspension you will not see Gronk sitting next game. 

[dhg]

4 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

It doesn't matter what Hughes said.  It was something only one of the two teams on the field yesterday is allowed to say.

Bingo

[YoloinOhio]

21 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

You stated it perfectly above. the fact that he half-hearted apologized and then went on to rationalize the hit because of bad officiating, and is getting credit for that, is beyond troubling to me.

Gilmore was not benched, not even close, he was injured. 

 

And no one questions that the Pats are better top to the bottom than the Bills, and almost every other organization in the league. But to say that someone justifies what Gronk did is beyond logic. They could be 38-0 overt he next two years, Gronk's play was extremely undisciplined and i am sure in no league suspension you will not see Gronk sitting next game. 

Gronk walked back to the huddle with a smile on his face. That says more than any phony attempt at trying to get out of a suspension, which is all his little locker room whine-fest disguised as an apology was anyway. 

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t blame Hughes at all, sorry. I would applaud him for telling off the ref who chose not to eject the Neanderthal after that BS.

Me too.

[blacklabel]

It doesn't bother me that Hughes spoke up and got a penalty. What bothers me is the officials decided that him getting mouthy with an official was a more egregious offense than what Gronkowski did. Yeah, that really shows how much the league cares about player safety. White takes a cheapshot, probably gonna have a concussion to deal with, but that's less important than an official getting his widdle feewings hurt. Absolutely ridiculous.

[dave mcbride]

Hughes was 10 yards away from the official. Players b**#ch at officials and use foul language while doing it virtually every game.  The refs have a vendetta against Hughes, and I thought it was a TERRIBLE look for the officials, who had just witnessed an act that would have led to felony charges everywhere outside if an NFL field or MMA ring.  Disgusting that they flagged him. 

Edited December 4, 2017 by dave mcbride

[reddogblitz]

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

For yelling at the refs after they allowed gronk to concuss our best player?  Hughes should’ve bodyslammed gronk.  I really wish someone would’ve put a hurting on gronk.  We can’t let them come into our house and drop elbows on us.  Can’t happen

 

I've read this a lot on here.  But I wonder how many of the players actually knew what happened?  I didn't see it on the original play, only after watching replays of it on TV.  I'm thinking a lot of them knew something happened, but how many knew that Gronk had thrown himself on the Tredavian Nightmare after the play.  I thought he just got the wind knocked out of him at first.

 

Anyway, just wondering if players really knew exactly what happened like those of us watching replays on TV did.  From field level you don't get the same view as on replays on TV.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

There is that other reddit view that shows it’s even worse that the original tv replay angle.  

 

You actually see gronk stutter stepping to line up his elbow drop right on 3ds head and neck.

 

that was as deliberate an attempt to inflict injury as I’ve seen in a while...

Edited December 4, 2017 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Mango]

I just assumed he dropped the N-word. Not allowed on the field anymore. He really was not all that close to ref, and wasn't around terribly long. And I don't think something like "kick him the eff out for that **** !@#$" is enough for 15 yards. 

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I've read this a lot on here.  But I wonder how many of the players actually knew what happened?  I didn't see it on the original play, only after watching replays of it on TV.  I'm thinking a lot of them knew something happened, but how many knew that Gronk had thrown himself on the Tredavian Nightmare after the play.  I thought he just got the wind knocked out of him at first.

 

Anyway, just wondering if players really knew exactly what happened like those of us watching replays on TV did.  From field level you don't get the same view as on replays on TV.

True.  It was off to the side and many guys may not have been able to see.  I too, thought he got the wind knocked out of him.  Still can’t believe what transpired and how the referees handled it. It’s really unbelievable 

[klos63]

12 hours ago, LittleJoeCartwright said:

 

Don't know but even though it didn't affect the result of the game, enough is enough with Hughes.  I'd have told him to go to the locker room after that and cut his butt after the game.  Hopefully they dump him in the offseason.

they'll dump everyone that has a sizeable contract, regardless of on field issues.

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t blame Hughes at all, sorry. I would applaud him for telling off the ref who chose not to eject the Neanderthal after that BS.

 

Im not convinced that was what he was yelling about to the refs.  Seemed like he was yelling him about something else.  

 

Either way, I am not sold that Hughes will be here next year.  His performance hasn't been there to offset all the head case stuff based on what he makes.  And given this regimes love affair with getting rid of players, especially ones who have sizable contracts or will command one, for draft picks to get "their" guys, I would think Hughes is gonna be a guy that will be at the very least in discussion of moving this offseason.

 

To be clear, I am not advocating it per se, just stating that I haven't really seen him stand out enough for the right reasons to feel like he will be safe this offseason.  Personally I find it frustrating that we keep getting rid of talented players like Sammy and Dareus, especially when we practically give them away for free like Dareus where the compensation back is so bad that its actually going to likely cost us not only Dareus, but a good draft pick we will need to use to find someone to TRY and help replace him.  

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

You stated it perfectly above. the fact that he half-hearted apologized and then went on to rationalize the hit because of bad officiating, and is getting credit for that, is beyond troubling to me.

Gilmore was not benched, not even close, he was injured. 

 

And no one questions that the Pats are better top to the bottom than the Bills, and almost every other organization in the league. But to say that someone justifies what Gronk did is beyond logic. They could be 38-0 overt he next two years, Gronk's play was extremely undisciplined and i am sure in no league suspension you will not see Gronk sitting next game. 

No one is justifying the way Gronk responded after White intercepted the ball.  He even said his response was irresponsible, and he apologized for it. What more do you want? Gronk does not have a history of reckless play. In fact, he is usually the player who is frequently abused on the field. I'm sure the league will get involved and fine him. Does he warrant a suspension? I don't believe so because he doesn't have a history of reckless play. 

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I read and understood it just fine. He owned up to nothing. He was completely unaccountable for it and showed no remorse via his actions and words. To think he was truly sorry and was not trying to just (very sloppily) cover his ass in that fake apology is very gullible and an attempt to spin a purely disgusting act of a human being, imo. I’m glad he is a “winner” in the football department because in my book, he couldn’t be more of a loser as a person right now. 

 

The fact that he complained about the refs frustrating him to try and excuse his inexcusable actions shows his extreme lack of “self-awareness”

We are just going to disagree on this issue. As I said in a response to Plezmid Gronk does not have a history of dangerous play. The TE lost control of his emotions and then recklessly responded. He acknowledge and apologized for his actions. Was it sincere? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt where you don't. So be it. 

[ctk232]

13 hours ago, LittleJoeCartwright said:

 

Don't know but even though it didn't affect the result of the game, enough is enough with Hughes.  I'd have told him to go to the locker room after that and cut his butt after the game.  Hopefully they dump him in the offseason.

I mean, I don't totally disagree with you, but who you going to get to replace him? We have more high end draft picks than we've ever had, but we still have a lot of position needs that aren't DE (OL, DT, WR, RB, QB, LB, just to name a few) 

Edited December 4, 2017 by ctk232

[section122]

45 minutes ago, JohnC said:

No one is justifying the way Gronk responded after White intercepted the ball.  He even said his response was irresponsible, and he apologized for it. What more do you want? Gronk does not have a history of reckless play. In fact, he is usually the player who is frequently abused on the field. I'm sure the league will get involved and fine him. Does he warrant a suspension? I don't believe so because he doesn't have a history of reckless play. 

We are just going to disagree on this issue. As I said in a response to Plezmid Gronk does not have a history of dangerous play. The TE lost control of his emotions and then recklessly responded. He acknowledge and apologized for his actions. Was it sincere? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt where you don't. So be it. 

 

You mean like Super Bowl 49 where he picked a fight after the game was in hand?  If that type of play doesn't warrant a suspension could you let me know what WOULD in your mind?  I'm not a jump to suspend guy but that play was egregious and WAY outside of the rules of football.  He literally lines himself up to hit a defenseless player in the back of the head!

[Misterbluesky]

Watch Hughes take a shot at Brady in three weeks.knee or head.