SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Fair enough. Some of what you say is true. However, I said Crush for two reasons: First, I wanted a reference to the Gronk play, and I think it's fair to say he crushed White. Second, although the score was relatively close, the Bills essentially never were going to score. The Pats crushed the Bills' offense. The only reason it wasn't 45 to 3 was that the game was 60 minutes long. 100 minutes and it would have been 45-3. 200 minutes and it would have been 90 to 3. true to a point ... yet so many others had done the same. ergo I don't see it as special as to extended time .... eventually Belicheat would have let Nate score one to build his confidence back up. He isn't that heartless
BadLandsMeanie Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 16 hours ago, Shaw66 said: With respect to Gronk, I don't think the penalty was large enough. I look at it several different ways, and I come out at the same place. Sean Payton created or tolerated an environment where he or other coaches encouraged players to injure opponents, and he got suspended for a year. I don't believe there was evidence that any player was actually injured as a result. Gronk actually intentionally injured a player in a totally unambiguous dead ball situation and he got a game. Guys get suspended for four games for doing drugs but get suspended only one game for intentionally injuring an opponent? If the penalty for an illegal hit during a game that injures in a player is one game, shouldn't the penalty for an illegal hit that injures a player when the game is NOT in progress be larger? During the game, there's at least an argument that the hit was intended to be legal but the guy came in too high or something. There is NO defense when you just hit a guy when he's lying there helpless. And I completely agree with your point about mob rule. We've already heard it from Tre White. If the league isn't tough enough on plays like that, there will be retaliation. The league can't afford to have mob rule on the field. I suspect that unless McDermott is really, really clear to his team about this, someone is going after Gronk's knees in a couple of weeks. Or Brady's. I also suspect that the NFL already has warned the Bills about retaliation. Why would they warn the Bills? Because they know the punishment was strict enough. Think about it. Steelers and Pats play in 10 days. If I know I'm getting only a one game suspension for taking out Brady's knee, why would I do it? It would mean I'd be back for the playoffs, and Brady wouldn't. You can't have that kind of calculation going on in players' heads. They need to know the penalties for intentional illegal actions will be severe. And it shouldn't depend on WHETHER the target gets injured; it should solely depend on whether it's a dead ball intentional act and had the potential to injure. This is the best summary of the reasoning on this that I have seen. Glad I asked Thanks.
GoBills808 Posted December 7, 2017 Posted December 7, 2017 18 hours ago, Shaw66 said: But when you're playing .500 ball and you could make the playoffs, I don't think a coach can do that to his players. We've done this twice now in the last 4 years. Should be no big deal by now for Bills fans.
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