thenorthremembers Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 14 hours ago, joesixpack said: Dude people here are seriously clueless. I'd take Rudolph in a Bills jersey 7 days a week and three times on sunday. Its mindblowing. Like I said I have no idea how these guys will end up but at least play with house money when its given to you
Tatonka68 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, nucci said: 5 draft picks for a QB....and if it doesn't work out? How much did the Jets give up for Sanchez.. Then you try again, What if it DOES work? We tried it the safe way for 17 years, how did that work out. 13 hours ago, Bills Fan of Maryland said: Bills have not invested top picks in the OL. They invest mid to late round picks on guys who other teams pass on and then regret their decision. They drafted EJM and Losman in the first round. I only see one bust at OL in the first round. The rest were solid contributors for many years. A change would be to build a solid OL unless an elite prospect drops to us at QB. I've watches the "elites" in this draft and come away with doubts. Buffalo Bills first-round draft picks Year Pick Player name Position College Notes 2016 19 Shaq Lawson Defensive end Clemson 2015 — No pick — — [3] 2014 4 Sammy Watkins Wide receiver Clemson 2013 16 EJ Manuel Quarterback Florida State 2012 10 Stephon Gilmore Cornerback South Carolina 2011 3 Marcell Dareus Defensive tackle Alabama 2010 9 C.J. Spiller Running back Clemson 2009 11 Aaron Maybin Defensive end Penn State 2009 28 Eric Wood Center Louisville 2008 11 Leodis McKelvin Defensive back Troy 2007 12 Marshawn Lynch Running back California 2006 8 Donte Whitner Safety Ohio State 2006 26 John McCargo Defensive tackle North Carolina State 2005 — No pick — — 2004 13 Lee Evans Wide receiver Wisconsin 2004 22 J. P. Losman Quarterback Tulane 2003 23 Willis McGahee Running back Miami (FL) 2002 4 Mike Williams Offensive tackle Texas 2001 21 Nate Clements Defensive back Ohio State 2000 26 Erik Flowers Defensive end Arizona State 1999 23 Antoine Winfield Defensive back Ohio State 1998 — No pick — — 1997 23 Antowain Smith Running back Houston 1996 24 Eric Moulds Wide receiver Mississippi State 1995 14 Ruben Brown Guard Pittsburgh 1994 27 Jeff Burris Defensive back Notre Dame 1993 28 Thomas Smith Defensive back North Carolina 1992 27 John Fina Offensive tackle Arizona 1991 26 Henry Jones Defensive back Illinois 1990 16 James Williams Defensive back Fresno State 1989 — No pick — — 1988 — No pick — — 1987 8 Shane Conlan Linebacker Penn State 1986 16 Ronnie Harmon Running back Iowa 1986 20 Will Wolford Offensive tackle Vanderbilt 1985 1 Bruce Smith ^ Defensive end Virginia Tech 1985 14 Derrick Burroughs Defensive back Memphis State 1984 26 Greg Bell Running back Notre Dame 1983 12 Tony Hunter Tight end Notre Dame 1983 14 Jim Kelly ^ Quarterback Miami (FL) 1982 19 Perry Tuttle Wide receiver Clemson 1981 28 Booker Moore Running back Penn State 1980 16 Jim Ritcher Center North Carolina State 1979 1 Tom Cousineau Linebacker Ohio State 1979 5 Jerry Butler Wide receiver Clemson 1978 5 Terry Miller Running back Oklahoma State 1977 12 Phil Dokes Defensive tackle Oklahoma State 1976 18 Mario Clark Defensive back Oregon 1975 19 Tom Ruud Linebacker Nebraska 1974 18 Reuben Gant Tight end Oklahoma State 1973 7 Paul Seymour Tight end Michigan 1973 26 Joe DeLamielleure ^ Guard Michigan State 1972 1 Walt Patulski Defensive end Notre Dame 1971 4 J. D. Hill Wide receiver Arizona State 1970 5 Al Cowlings Defensive tackle Southern California 1969 1 O.J. Simpson ^ Running back USC 1968 9 Haven Moses Wide receiver San Diego State 1967 22 John Pitts Safety Arizona State 1966 8 Mike Dennis Running back Ole Miss Without a franchise QB the Bills will be in the same mess as the last 17 years. OL are unless they have a QB to block for, and Tyrod is NOT it. Edited November 29, 2017 by Tatonka68
Chicken Boo Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 17 hours ago, Dr. Who said: I like Mayfield and Jackson as qbs that might be there. Worried about Josh Allen. Looks like Tarzan, accuracy of Jane, but who knows, really? In my opinion, the 2 worst 1st round prospects in the draft. Jackson is a 1-read QB and Mayfield might as well be Manziel part deux. After passing on a guy like Watson, I can guarantee you McBeane isn't interested in Lamar or Baker.
ROONDOGG55 Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 17 hours ago, Dr. Who said: I like Mayfield and Jackson as qbs that might be there. Worried about Josh Allen. Looks like Tarzan, accuracy of Jane, but who knows, really? I think Josh Allen would be a great candidate to sit behind an Eli Manning, Sam Bradford, or Alex Smith. We should be able to get him later in the first round too Go get Vita Vea with the other first round pick.
BillsFan2313 Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 16 hours ago, bigK14094 said: Whaley's ghost is in the building.................its saying "remember Sammy Watkins..." NO MORE TRADE UPS!!! Right? I mean in year two of Goff and Wentz, LA and Philly really regret their decisions to trade up. 2
papazoid Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 sign Cousins and keep all your picks....bills have way to many needs
Theshallowcross Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 Too many times too many people get enamored with Big 12 QBs. Between putting up huge numbers in an offense designed to put up huge numbers in college (Air Raid) and QBs not taking snaps from under center, it's no surprise that Big 12 QBs fizzle out consistently. Here is a novel idea, keep Tyrod and use those 5 premium picks to build around him.
Dr. Who Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, ROONDOGG55 said: I think Josh Allen would be a great candidate to sit behind an Eli Manning, Sam Bradford, or Alex Smith. We should be able to get him later in the first round too Go get Vita Vea with the other first round pick. I don' t claim to be a qb expert. I liked Watson and Mahomes in the last draft. Folks that seem more astute than I such as GunnerBill are not high on Allen. Not sure if inaccuracy is curable or not, but it's one of the important traits you want. Whoever is drafted (and I am assuming we will draft a qb high) bringing in a vet like you suggest is a good idea. (I also surmise Tyrod is unlikely to be back.) 1 hour ago, papazoid said: sign Cousins and keep all your picks....bills have way to many needs Certainly prefereable to the idea of "building around Tyrod." Edited November 29, 2017 by Dr. Who
ROONDOGG55 Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 23 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I don' t claim to be a qb expert. I liked Watson and Mahomes in the last draft. Folks that seem more astute than I such as GunnerBill are not high on Allen. Not sure if inaccuracy is curable or not, but it's one of the important traits you want. Whoever is drafted (and I am assuming we will draft a qb high) bringing in a vet like you suggest is a good idea. (I also surmise Tyrod is unlikely to be back.) I am definitely not a QB expert either, but I think the guy has all the tools to play well. I think Aaron Rogers had accuracy issues coming out of college, but he seemed to fix his throwing motion which I assume corrected his accuracy issues. Me personally, I believe accuracy issues can always be corrected if the player has the ability to unlearn bad habits. Some guys just can't seem to let go. Brady had to go through a similar adjustment, and made it his everyday process. I remember commentators and analysts comparing his throwing motion from the beginning of his career to his 5th and 6th season as a starter. You will notice a drastic change in his yearly statistics between those times as well. Either way I believe any guy with skills can be successful with the right mindset. Hopefully if and when we pick our guy he has that drive and the ability to make the necessary changes in his game to succeed. 1
ndirish1978 Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 I'm actually pretty surprised by most of the posts in this thread. All year all I read on this board is how we HAVE to get a franchise QB and we're crazy not to try and get a franchise QB and why haven't we tried to get a franchise QB ... and now most of you are saying you don't want to trade picks? 1
The Jokeman Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I like the Rams' move a lot better as a model for what we could potentially do. Rams gave up: #15 Overall 2nd Round (43) 2nd Round (45) 3rd Round (76) Next Year's 1st Next Year's 3rd Titans gave up: #1 Overall 4th Round (113) 6th Round (177) If we did the same that would leave us with: 1st overall Selection KC's 1st Rounder 2 4ths 2 5ths 1 6th what about Carolina's 7th we got in the Seymour trade? Edited November 29, 2017 by The Jokeman Correction: The 7th we got for Seymour was in 2019
Sweats Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 To make any QB play in the draft, were going to have to give up anywhere from 3 to 5 picks...........weve got a lot of holes to fill on our whole roster, so that leaves us nothing for filling our needs.
Boatdrinks Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Theshallowcross said: Too many times too many people get enamored with Big 12 QBs. Between putting up huge numbers in an offense designed to put up huge numbers in college (Air Raid) and QBs not taking snaps from under center, it's no surprise that Big 12 QBs fizzle out consistently. Here is a novel idea, keep Tyrod and use those 5 premium picks to build around him. Tyrod would only be ok as a bridge to a better QB. If you can get a QB you get him. They already passed on drafting Watson. The difference between HOU offense's numbers with and without Watson is remarkable. Can't keep passing on Quarterbacks. Certainly not because they have Tyrod Taylor. 4 minutes ago, Sweats said: To make any QB play in the draft, were going to have to give up anywhere from 3 to 5 picks...........weve got a lot of holes to fill on our whole roster, so that leaves us nothing for filling our needs. Probably can't address everything in this offseason. If they can get a QB, they have to take one. Edited November 29, 2017 by Boatdrinks
teef Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Tyrod would only be ok as a bridge to a better QB. If you can get a QB you get him. They already passed on drafting Watson. The difference between HOU offense's numbers with and without Watson is remarkable. Can't keep passing on Quarterbacks. Certainly not because they have Tyrod Taylor. this is the main point. i like taylor as a qb, but he's certainly not a guy you build a team around. 1
McBean Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 22 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said: I agree. We need to fill the holes on the O and D lines. We can't give away top picks with so many needs. The ol "let's build at other places" argument. We've tried building around the QB position for years. How has that worked for us? 1
Tatonka68 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Posted November 29, 2017 15 minutes ago, Sweats said: To make any QB play in the draft, were going to have to give up anywhere from 3 to 5 picks...........weve got a lot of holes to fill on our whole roster, so that leaves us nothing for filling our needs. So what that is what 2019 draft is about. Multiple drafts needed to build a playoff team. 4 hours ago, Theshallowcross said: Too many times too many people get enamored with Big 12 QBs. Between putting up huge numbers in an offense designed to put up huge numbers in college (Air Raid) and QBs not taking snaps from under center, it's no surprise that Big 12 QBs fizzle out consistently. Here is a novel idea, keep Tyrod and use those 5 premium picks to build around him. Build around Mr. 56 yard check down Charile, who cannot even throw for 100 yards against the Saints. NO WAY! 1
Southern Bills Fan Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, McBean said: The ol "let's build at other places" argument. We've tried building around the QB position for years. How has that worked for us? Ok?, how has drafting a QB high with no offensive line worked out for top picks like David Carr, Joey Harrington or Rick Mirer? They were all "can't miss" guys. Edited November 29, 2017 by Southern Bills Fan
Theshallowcross Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: So what that is what 2019 draft is about. Multiple drafts needed to build a playoff team. Build around Mr. 56 yard check down Charile, who cannot even throw for 100 yards against the Saints. NO WAY! Good thing you're not in charge of these things considering you're unaware of how actual NFL offense and the structure of an offense work. Edited November 29, 2017 by Theshallowcross
Shaw66 Posted November 29, 2017 Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 3:01 PM, Dr. Who said: Yikes. That's a heavy price for a team with lots of holes to fill. You're not trading into Cleveland or the Giants' spot, so you're likely looking at the third best qb on the board. This is really the point. Unless Geno goes on a five-game winning streak, the Browns and Giants are both taking QBs. I'll trade up for the best QB in the draft, but not the third best. If he falls to me, fine. And I doubt that the Bills and Chiefs picks alone will get you up to 5. 2 hours ago, teef said: this is the main point. i like taylor as a qb, but he's certainly not a guy you build a team around. However, I keep Taylor until I have someone better. That's why benching him was so costly. It almost certainly means that he's gone after next season (because Taylor isn't going to stick with these coaches) and that, in turn, forces the Bills to find a QB in this off-season. That's why they may feel compelled to trade up, and trading up probably means using both first round picks and maybe a second or next year's first. If they hadn't burned bridges with Taylor, they would be much more comfortable taking a good QB when it was their turn and used other picks to fill holes.
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