Fan boy '92 Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 Is it me or does Peterman's style seem to have a higher upside than Taylor's?
NoSaint Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 19 minutes ago, Doc said: Sammy played in 13 games in 2015 and 8 games in 2016 and TT passed for just 3,000 yards in both. To be totally honest, I’m not sure what point your trying to make
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: To be totally honest, I’m not sure what point your trying to make The point was that it doesn't matter if he has an explosive receiver and offense or not, he's extremely limited as a passer. 1
Bing Bong Posted December 4, 2017 Author Posted December 4, 2017 29 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I don’t think that many QB’s could excel with this receiver corps. That doesn’t mean we can’t evaluate TT. The deficiencies in his game are apparent regardless. There are many things that NFL QB’s must do to win. TT is incapable of too many of them. I worry this regime undervalues the importance of receivers. Maybe they took the wrong lesson out of their success in Cam's MVP year. But I don't want to bring a young quarterback into this team with the receivers we trotted out today.
Big Gun Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Doc said: Sammy played in 13 games in 2015 and 8 games in 2016 and TT passed for just 3,000 yards in both. Goff is already at 3000 yards with Watkins and still 4 games to go. Edited December 4, 2017 by PeterGriffin
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, PeterGriffin said: So Goff is already at 3000 yards with Watkins and still 4 games to go. And who is a better QB?
NoSaint Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Doc said: The point was that it doesn't matter if he has an explosive receiver and offense or not, he's extremely limited as a passer. Agreed. So should we play to his strengths, or his weaknesses if we were going to keep him? Why keep him if opting to play to the weaknesses?
Bing Bong Posted December 4, 2017 Author Posted December 4, 2017 28 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Remember way, way back in, oh, August? Back when we were all laughing about how awful the Jets receiving corps would be this year? Right now Robby Anderson and Jermaine Kearse look a lot better than anyone we're putting on the field. And that's with 37 year old career journeyman Josh McCown throwing the ball. Are they really good? Or is Tyrod really that bad? I have to assume it's more of the latter. After all, Jordan Matthews was at least as effective as a Jermaine Kearse with his previous team and he's a couple years younger too ... you should see the plays Robby Anderson can make. Is it so hard to admit this is was a weakness of our team today? as is QB?
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Gray Beard said: LIke when one of Peterman's first throws today hit his receiver in the belly and it was incomplete? That kind of negative impact? That'd be one example, yes
bmur66 Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 Receivers need to make catches and Tyrod needed to make a few better throws. It didn't happen today
Hebert19 Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 Sorry but tyrod can't find anyone open and yet when peterman comes in...recievers are open. He just can't hit them. Ha. Peterman made the right read 3 times today with open guys and 1 was dropped and 2 overthrown. Then would have scrambled or dumped it off on all 3. Neither are any good but it's not the receivers. 45 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I don’t think that many QB’s could excel with this receiver corps. That doesn’t mean we can’t evaluate TT. The deficiencies in his game are apparent regardless. There are many things that NFL QB’s must do to win. TT is incapable of too many of them. I can make 10 that would excel with this group. These recievers are not the issue.
Big Turk Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 It really is...these receivers get no seperation, we don't scheme them open very well oftentimes, and then they drop the ball when Peterman throws it to them in tight coverage due to the first two reasons... It's frustrating for sure...I'm sure the coaches are getting high blood pressure watching from the sidelines...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 No WR's are going to come here in FA, we will need to draft them.
Kelly the Dog Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 The WR were getting zero separation all game. They were terrible. As was Dennison. As was Tyrod, but it's not like he had guys running free all over.
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 11 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Agreed. So should we play to his strengths, or his weaknesses if we were going to keep him? Why keep him if opting to play to the weaknesses? What is his strength? I've heard he's good at the long ball (20+ yards), but he was 38% in 2015 and 30% last year. And trading Sammy was less about taking away his strength than getting good compensation for a guy who wasn't worth his 5th year tender, much less the money he was looking for in a long-term contract.
NoSaint Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 15 minutes ago, Doc said: What is his strength? I've heard he's good at the long ball (20+ yards), but he was 38% in 2015 and 30% last year. And trading Sammy was less about taking away his strength than getting good compensation for a guy who wasn't worth his 5th year tender, much less the money he was looking for in a long-term contract. You are putting more time into constructing my argument than your own. if your stance is Tyrod is horrible at everything and has no strengths, there’s not much for us to discuss.
transient Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: And Kelvin Benjamin He would have been the perfect target for EJ Manuel, since he’s mostly been on the sideline.
Doc Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, NoSaint said: You are putting more time into constructing my argument than your own. if your stance is Tyrod is horrible at everything and has no strengths, there’s not much for us to discuss. I'm not constructing anything for you. Tyrod is simply not a good passing QB. You can parse his "well he can throw reasonably well from X+ distance..." but the bottom line is he's not a franchise guy and will be somewhere else next year.
LABILLBACKER Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 Yes our current active wr's are for the most part rejects. But you could give Tyrod Jerry Rice and Julio Jones and TT would still be inaccurate and Trentative. Peterman came in and had Holmes and Matthews drop perfect passes. DiMarco did the same in LA. 1
Bills Pimpin' Posted December 4, 2017 Posted December 4, 2017 2 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: For many teams, the receiver corps has a positive effect on the offense, ie making catches they probably shouldn't catch, route running, adjusting to broken plays. These guys have quite a negative impact. I don't think we properly take in this impact when we talk about quarterbacks. I think it's the other way around. There is no way to evaluate the WR's properly with the QB play in Buffalo. Peterman was deer in headlights 2 weeks ago. I hope he plays better in the coming weeks so we get a decent look at Benjamin, Matthews and Jones with a QB that will actually throw a pass to an "NFL open" wide receiver.
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