universal basic income question

[westerndecline]

End all welfare, ss, Medicare, Medicaid, ebt, cash assistance, everything.

 

Also you would obviously end all bureaucracy with those programs

 

Cut everything else 20%

 

In return , the Starbucks , whining libtards get say 1200 a month ubi

 

Good idea?

[Koko78]

Huh?

 

What does social security have to do with whiny libtards?

[westerndecline]

16 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

Huh?

 

What does social security have to do with whiny libtards?

Ubi replaces it, I'd imagine ss is cut off for ppl 40 and younger or something like tht...

Edited December 3, 2017 by westerndecline

[Joe Miner]

Is Baskin trying his hand at a Libertarian personality?

[/dev/null]

And from where is this Universal Basic Income derived?

[westerndecline]

3 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

And from where is this Universal Basic Income derived?

From what I'm reading is after all those cuts ubi would be a substantially lower burden on taxpayers compared to the 15welfare programs

Basically it would save money

[/dev/null]

1 minute ago, westerndecline said:

From what I'm reading is after all those cuts ubi would be a substantially lower burden on taxpayers compared to the 15welfare programs

Basically it would save money

And does what you're reading say where the money to pay for UBI comes from?

[TakeYouToTasker]

What brand of libertarian philosophy is this exactly?

[westerndecline]

6 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

And does what you're reading say where the money to pay for UBI comes from?

Taxpayers obviously

 

What's your point

 

The premise is a negotiation with libtards to lower the deficit and get a balanced budget

 

Obviously I'd end all of it. But that's not politically realistic

4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

What brand of libertarian philosophy is this exactly?

It's not...

 

Not sure what you are getting at

13 minutes ago, Joe Miner said:

Is Baskin trying his hand at a Libertarian personality?

Huh

Edited December 3, 2017 by westerndecline

[TakeYouToTasker]

9 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

It's not...

 

Not sure what you are getting at

You wrote that you considered yourself to be a libertarian.  I haven't seen you express many ideas that would be considered tied to classically liberal philosophy.

 

I'm curious about where you derive your philosophy from.

[westerndecline]

8 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

You wrote that you considered yourself to be a libertarian.  I haven't seen you express many ideas that would be considered tied to classically liberal philosophy.

 

I'm curious about where you derive your philosophy from.

I'm a libertarian, but I don't act anal about it. 

 

For example I believe in a public court, and taxes tht are decided by our representatives or even direct democracy in some cases.

 

I lean very much towards free market ideas but do not think everything should be privatized

[KD in CA]

Liberals would insist on a 'living' UBI of at least $4k per month.

[westerndecline]

I think power can get out of hand whether it's privatized or public

 

And I'm more concerned with human nature having great power and not so much caught up in the same socialist and capitalist talking points. 

 

I firmly believe tho in the environment we have now with limited resources , free market economies will always emerge out of even the most despotic communist states

Edited December 3, 2017 by westerndecline

[Azalin]

2 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

I think power can get out of hand whether it's privatized or public

 

 

What would be an example of privatized power getting out of hand?

[westerndecline]

Just now, Azalin said:

 

What would be an example of privatized power getting out of hand?

Lobbyists for example capturing government

 

A specific example might be sec members giving triple a ratings to cdo's that were really c rated or way worse.

 

Another example could be military industrial complex

 

Or private prisons lobbying to keep the drug war going.

 

Solyndra is another example of green energy contracts given out by the very congress tht invested in Solyndra

 

I.e. crony capitalism

 

Another example would be slave wages and slave like conditions and apple taking advantage of a totalitarian government

 

 

It goes in both directions

 

Private interets using government, government using itself or private industry to create corruption

[TakeYouToTasker]

20 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

I'm a libertarian, but I don't act anal about it. 

 

For example I believe in a public court, and taxes tht are decided by our representatives or even direct democracy in some cases.

 

I lean very much towards free market ideas but do not think everything should be privatized

Being a small government conservative and being a libertarian are two different things built around very different philosophies.

 

Libertarianism is a rights based philosophy which bases it's moral priori on the absolute nature of human liberty; where as conservatism is a governing philosophy which concerns it self less with rights, which get in the way of the aims of government, and tries to balance those two things.

Edited December 3, 2017 by TakeYouToTasker

[westerndecline]

Just now, TakeYouToTasker said:

Being a small government conservative and being a libertarian are two different things built around very different philosophies.

 

Libertarianism is a rights based philosophy which bases it's moral priori on the absolute nature of human liberty; where as conservatism is a governing philosophy which concerns it self less with rights, which get in the way of the aims of government, and tries to balance those who things.

I agree

I think there are libertarians that take individual rights to a level not based in reality sometimes

 

Jmo but you start getting into lala land when you think courts should be privatized

 

That's a dogmatic view not based in reality and not libertarian

[TakeYouToTasker]

10 minutes ago, westerndecline said:

I agree

I think there are libertarians that take individual rights to a level not based in reality sometimes

 

Jmo but you start getting into lala land when you think courts should be privatized

 

That's a dogmatic view not based in reality and not libertarian

No, that's not libertarianism; that's anarcho-capitalism.

 

Again, that's a different philosophy from libertarianism.

[westerndecline]

1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

No, that's not libertarianism; that's anarcho-capitalism.

 

Again, that's a different philosophy from libertarianism.

I always thought anarcho capitalism, was under the branch of overall libertarian principles

 

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's how it's generally structured

All libertarians are skeptical of power but go about it's implementation in many different ways

[/dev/null]

1 hour ago, westerndecline said:

I always thought anarcho capitalism, was under the branch of overall libertarian principles

 

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's how it's generally structured

All libertarians are skeptical of power but go about it's implementation in many different ways

 

Libertarians believe the people and society in general are better off when individuals are left to their own devices and not subject to a central authority

 

The UBI subjects everyone to a central authority that both distributes the income as it sees fit and compels everyone to participate in a system they may or may not agree with