westerndecline Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 End all welfare, ss, Medicare, Medicaid, ebt, cash assistance, everything. Also you would obviously end all bureaucracy with those programs Cut everything else 20% In return , the Starbucks , whining libtards get say 1200 a month ubi Good idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Huh? What does social security have to do with whiny libtards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Huh? What does social security have to do with whiny libtards? Ubi replaces it, I'd imagine ss is cut off for ppl 40 and younger or something like tht... Edited December 3, 2017 by westerndecline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Is Baskin trying his hand at a Libertarian personality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 And from where is this Universal Basic Income derived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, /dev/null said: And from where is this Universal Basic Income derived? From what I'm reading is after all those cuts ubi would be a substantially lower burden on taxpayers compared to the 15welfare programs Basically it would save money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 minute ago, westerndecline said: From what I'm reading is after all those cuts ubi would be a substantially lower burden on taxpayers compared to the 15welfare programs Basically it would save money And does what you're reading say where the money to pay for UBI comes from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 What brand of libertarian philosophy is this exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, /dev/null said: And does what you're reading say where the money to pay for UBI comes from? Taxpayers obviously What's your point The premise is a negotiation with libtards to lower the deficit and get a balanced budget Obviously I'd end all of it. But that's not politically realistic 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: What brand of libertarian philosophy is this exactly? It's not... Not sure what you are getting at 13 minutes ago, Joe Miner said: Is Baskin trying his hand at a Libertarian personality? Huh Edited December 3, 2017 by westerndecline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, westerndecline said: It's not... Not sure what you are getting at You wrote that you considered yourself to be a libertarian. I haven't seen you express many ideas that would be considered tied to classically liberal philosophy. I'm curious about where you derive your philosophy from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: You wrote that you considered yourself to be a libertarian. I haven't seen you express many ideas that would be considered tied to classically liberal philosophy. I'm curious about where you derive your philosophy from. I'm a libertarian, but I don't act anal about it. For example I believe in a public court, and taxes tht are decided by our representatives or even direct democracy in some cases. I lean very much towards free market ideas but do not think everything should be privatized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Liberals would insist on a 'living' UBI of at least $4k per month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) I think power can get out of hand whether it's privatized or public And I'm more concerned with human nature having great power and not so much caught up in the same socialist and capitalist talking points. I firmly believe tho in the environment we have now with limited resources , free market economies will always emerge out of even the most despotic communist states Edited December 3, 2017 by westerndecline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, westerndecline said: I think power can get out of hand whether it's privatized or public What would be an example of privatized power getting out of hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just now, Azalin said: What would be an example of privatized power getting out of hand? Lobbyists for example capturing government A specific example might be sec members giving triple a ratings to cdo's that were really c rated or way worse. Another example could be military industrial complex Or private prisons lobbying to keep the drug war going. Solyndra is another example of green energy contracts given out by the very congress tht invested in Solyndra I.e. crony capitalism Another example would be slave wages and slave like conditions and apple taking advantage of a totalitarian government It goes in both directions Private interets using government, government using itself or private industry to create corruption Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, westerndecline said: I'm a libertarian, but I don't act anal about it. For example I believe in a public court, and taxes tht are decided by our representatives or even direct democracy in some cases. I lean very much towards free market ideas but do not think everything should be privatized Being a small government conservative and being a libertarian are two different things built around very different philosophies. Libertarianism is a rights based philosophy which bases it's moral priori on the absolute nature of human liberty; where as conservatism is a governing philosophy which concerns it self less with rights, which get in the way of the aims of government, and tries to balance those two things. Edited December 3, 2017 by TakeYouToTasker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: Being a small government conservative and being a libertarian are two different things built around very different philosophies. Libertarianism is a rights based philosophy which bases it's moral priori on the absolute nature of human liberty; where as conservatism is a governing philosophy which concerns it self less with rights, which get in the way of the aims of government, and tries to balance those who things. I agree I think there are libertarians that take individual rights to a level not based in reality sometimes Jmo but you start getting into lala land when you think courts should be privatized That's a dogmatic view not based in reality and not libertarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 10 minutes ago, westerndecline said: I agree I think there are libertarians that take individual rights to a level not based in reality sometimes Jmo but you start getting into lala land when you think courts should be privatized That's a dogmatic view not based in reality and not libertarian No, that's not libertarianism; that's anarcho-capitalism. Again, that's a different philosophy from libertarianism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 3, 2017 Author Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: No, that's not libertarianism; that's anarcho-capitalism. Again, that's a different philosophy from libertarianism. I always thought anarcho capitalism, was under the branch of overall libertarian principles I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's how it's generally structured All libertarians are skeptical of power but go about it's implementation in many different ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 hour ago, westerndecline said: I always thought anarcho capitalism, was under the branch of overall libertarian principles I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's how it's generally structured All libertarians are skeptical of power but go about it's implementation in many different ways Libertarians believe the people and society in general are better off when individuals are left to their own devices and not subject to a central authority The UBI subjects everyone to a central authority that both distributes the income as it sees fit and compels everyone to participate in a system they may or may not agree with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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