Iron Maiden Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: If they're so good, why do they gave to cheat? They DID get fined a quarter of a million dollars once and had Saint Tommy suspended for 4 games another time for getting caught, wait for it, CHEATING. They are good, but they're tainted. Are the 49ers with Montana and Rice tainted ?...Are the Broncos with Elway tainted ?.....
Iron Maiden Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 When the vast majority of former players, coaches and analysts all agree that Brady is the GOAT, that BB is one of the best ever, and their run is historic, I feel bad for the few Bills fans who keep bringing up the silliness of cheating......it makes our fan base look ignorant....yeah, sure, you can find a former player here and there who lost to them and are claiming they cheat....but there's about 10 players for everyone of them that will say they are the real deal...Ever since 2009, when Brady came back from his 2008 knee injury, I've been waiting for the decline.....I thought they were done then.....2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016.....it hasn't happened...2017 does not look promising either.... It does not make you a bad Bills fan to be able to admit that the 2000's and the 2010's NE teams have been good/great....
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: When the vast majority of former players, coaches and analysts all agree that Brady is the GOAT, that BB is one of the best ever, and their run is historic, I feel bad for the few Bills fans who keep bringing up the silliness of cheating......it makes our fan base look ignorant....yeah, sure, you can find a former player here and there who lost to them and are claiming they cheat....but there's about 10 players for everyone of them that will say they are the real deal...Ever since 2009, when Brady came back from his 2008 knee injury, I've been waiting for the decline.....I thought they were done then.....2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016.....it hasn't happened...2017 does not look promising either.... It does not make you a bad Bills fan to be able to admit that the 2000's and the 2010's NE teams have been good/great.... ...damn you're good...best ever calling "a spade a spade"...
Boatdrinks Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: When the vast majority of former players, coaches and analysts all agree that Brady is the GOAT, that BB is one of the best ever, and their run is historic, I feel bad for the few Bills fans who keep bringing up the silliness of cheating......it makes our fan base look ignorant....yeah, sure, you can find a former player here and there who lost to them and are claiming they cheat....but there's about 10 players for everyone of them that will say they are the real deal...Ever since 2009, when Brady came back from his 2008 knee injury, I've been waiting for the decline.....I thought they were done then.....2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016.....it hasn't happened...2017 does not look promising either.... It does not make you a bad Bills fan to be able to admit that the 2000's and the 2010's NE teams have been good/great.... I don't think Bills fans care what anyone thinks about their take on the Patriots, Brady or the hoodie. We have our opinions and are fine with them. While our opinions likely vary a bit on the subject, Bills fans also don't care much about what anyone else's opinion is on the matter either. Mostly because we just don't like the Patriots and are largely concerned with our own team becoming good again. You, however seem extremely bothered by what Bills fans think about a team that they do not root for or follow. Edited December 2, 2017 by Boatdrinks
Iron Maiden Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I don't think Bills fans care what anyone thinks about their take on the Patriots, Brady or the hoodie. We have our opinions and are fine with them. While our opinions likely vary a bit on the subject, Bills fans also don't care much about what anyone else's opinion is on the subject either. Mostly because we just don't like the Patriots and are largely concerned with our own team becoming good again. You, however seem extremely bothered by what Bills fans think about a team that they do not root for or follow. I am a proud Bills fan...I do care about the fact that some fan bases are more knowledgeable than others...I like to think we are are one of those....
Boatdrinks Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: I am a proud Bills fan...I do care about the fact that some fan bases are more knowledgeable than others...I like to think we are are one of those.... It's largely irrelevant. I do think there are a lot of knowledgeable Bills fans out there, I don't think their opinion on the Pats or Brady is a factor in that at all.
Iron Maiden Posted December 3, 2017 Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: It's largely irrelevant. I do think there are a lot of knowledgeable Bills fans out there, I don't think their opinion on the Pats or Brady is a factor in that at all. I do agree there's a lot of knowledgeable fans on this site....I just don't think the ones screaming cheater in every NE thread is a good representation of that particular group....we'll agree to disagree on that subject... 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...damn you're good...best ever calling "a spade a spade"... Thanks buddy ! I hate them, but damn...to pretend that their success is because deflated balls or because a camera was placed in the wrong spot 10 years ago is plain stupid.... Edited December 3, 2017 by Iron Maiden 1
reddogblitz Posted December 3, 2017 Posted December 3, 2017 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....and the other 31 are "lily white innocent", right?......try just not stupid enough to get caught....but one must find obvious (COUGH) reasons for their tainted success.....right..... If you have some evidence that the other 31 teams were doing the same stuff I'd be happy to consider it. But, I'm going to try to follow your logic. All 31 other teams do the same stuff y'all do. But none of them, except the Broncos and McDaniels have been caught. So how do we know they do? Are the Patriots, the smartest team in football too stupid to pull off what every other team does? Really? They got caught red handed and punished by the league twice. They were punished after an investigation. Remember the destroyed tapes and testimony where the Patriots could present thier side of the story. Why would the league go after thier best team? Thier Cash cow? All for something they all do anyway? They only cheated twice and got caught both times. 2
OJ's Glove Posted December 3, 2017 Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, reddogblitz said: If you have some evidence that the other 31 teams were doing the same stuff I'd be happy to consider it. But, I'm going to try to follow your logic. All 31 other teams do the same stuff y'all do. But none of them, except the Broncos and McDaniels have been caught. So how do we know they do? Are the Patriots, the smartest team in football too stupid to pull off what every other team does? Really? They got caught red handed and punished by the league twice. They were punished after an investigation. Remember the destroyed tapes and testimony where the Patriots could present thier side of the story. Why would the league go after thier best team? Thier Cash cow? All for something they all do anyway? They only cheated twice and got caught both times. I guess you missed all those other infractions where teams and players get fined for things like tampering, salary cap violations, PEDs, pumping in crowd noise, etcetera. It's ALL "cheating". The Raiders for 40 years openly bragged about trying to cheat. It was part of their ethic as a franchise. What do people think of them now and their three Super bowls? Well, everyone watches NFL Films about the old days and has a good laugh and a backslap about how cute and funny that all was. "Cheating is encouraged" and "if you aint cheatin', you aint tryin'!" Right John Madden? Right George Atkinson? Right Phil Villapiano? Just ask them. The double-standard is embarrassing. Everybody thinks Goodell and his gang of idiots are royal screw-ups and can't find their asses with both hands, but they were supposedly right on the money and in the right when they went after the Patriots? Come on. Goodell fouls everything he touches when it comes to discipline matters. Why would they go after their best team? Because Roger thinks his office and his authority are more important than any one team. Rivals in other places like Hempstead and Indy wanted them taken down a peg and pressured the League office to be harsh. You guys can't be this dumb to not realize stuff like this. "Spygate" was a minor infraction that was blown up because Belichick ignored a League memo to stop doing it, because he knew other teams did it and thought it was no big deal (which Jimmy Johnson and others also admitted) , and he figured he could justify it based of how the actual rule was worded. BB and Goodell's underling snakes in the League office hate each other (always have), the Patriots were a dominant team, Goodell felt like someone was thumbing their nose at his authority. That's all that was necessary. Despite the constant rule-bending that all teams do at one time or another, this nonsense never happened under Rozelle or Tagliabue, because they were actually good at their job and knew how to treat petty squabbles between rival teams as the whiny nonsense situations they were, rather than letting them blow up into national stories. "Deflategate" was ginned up, and when the evidence wasn't there to even show an infraction had even happened, Roger punished them anyway because AGAIN he was getting pressure from other owners to make sure they were found guilty. Mostly because they had the nerve to continue to win at historic proportions and stopping them from taping had had no effect at all on that (almost as if it didn't matter! Aw shucks!). NOBODY tries to do this to the Cleveland Browns or some 8-8 team. The paranoia around the League about the Patriots is palpable, ridiculous and embarrassing. Taking away the tapes and draft picks didn't work. So they tried to take away Brady and that didn't work. Deflategate was a legal victory but a massive PR nightmare and black eye over nothing. Maybe they've learned their lesson, but I doubt it. Park Avenue is too ignorant, vindictive and stupid. Quote to pretend that their success is because deflated balls or because a camera was placed in the wrong spot 10 years ago is plain stupid... . Correct. Edited December 3, 2017 by OJ's Glove
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 3, 2017 Posted December 3, 2017 11 hours ago, inaugural balls said: I'm trying to figure out which of your 2 posts is dumber. Tough call. Get a grip dude , obviously being facetious. And if you don't want to win 10 Super Bowls then you're the dumb one.
Mr. WEO Posted December 3, 2017 Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, Dan said: Yes because Brady took the field by himself and won all those games single handedly. I stand corrected. But for the record, I'm not saying he sucks... I was pointing out the fact that without Brady, Belichick still gets the team to winning records; indicating that he appears to be more important in their success then Brady. So, yes, Brady is a certain first ballot HOFer, but Belichick has proven he can win without Brady. The same cannot be said in reverse. Contrast that to a QB like Manning who proved he could win with multiple coaches and teams. Granted we can't say Brady couldn't do it, because he's never had the opportunity. I would suggest that its completely unknown how he would perform if you take away the team and coach he's played his entire career with. Winning record, no playoffs. Winning records in the regular season are nice, but it's playoff wins that define the best of the best. Look at Manning; he won a ton of regular season games in Indy, but his playoff record there was barely over.500 with a HOF HC and several HOF candidates on offense. BB doesn't run the offense, Brady does. He's not just trotting out there running the various schemes dreamed up by all of the OC's he has played for over 18 seasons. Yes, he is blessed to have played for far and away the best NFL HC ever, but in the end, it will be true that Brady will have achieved more with far less (offensive star players) than any top QB ever. Edited December 3, 2017 by Mr. WEO
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