26CornerBlitz Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Perception of Belichick Around League (4:48) Quote The "Inside the NFL" crews talks about the perception of New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick around the NFL.
PatsFanNH Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Dang I always thought Ray Lewis HATED BB and Brady. ? must just been his competitive juices when they faced eachother.
plenzmd1 Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Lets face it, the combination of BB and TB is the best there ever was in the NFL. No way around it. Now, I think Brady alone would have still been the GOAT, but not so sure if BB would be the GOAT without Brady, especially in this QB driven Era. Even without Brady, BB probably top 5 all time. Love the way he attacks, changes game plans loved the eligible/ineligible stuff in the Ravens game, loved going for it on 4th and 2 even though it did not work,.guy just out thinks most coaches. Always amazes me when still lapses into NFL coach think sometimes, and that would be only reason why he may not be the GOAT..he knows better, but can still have those brainfarts
26CornerBlitz Posted December 1, 2017 Author Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Lets face it, the combination of BB and TB is the best there ever was in the NFL. No way around it. Now, I think Brady alone would have still been the GOAT, but not so sure if BB would be the GOAT without Brady, especially in this QB driven Era. Even without Brady, BB probably top 5 all time. Love the way he attacks, changes game plans loved the eligible/ineligible stuff in the Ravens game, loved going for it on 4th and 2 even though it did not work,.guy just out thinks most coaches. Always amazes me when still lapses into NFL coach think sometimes, and that would be only reason why he may not be the GOAT..he knows better, but can still have those brainfarts Long time ago, but history says Paul Brown and Otto Graham are the greatest coach/QB combo. Lombardi and Starr were also dominant. In the modern era, Walsh and Montana are the best IMO. Edited December 1, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz 1
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Long time ago, history says Paul Brown and Otto Graham are the greatest coach/QB combo. Lombardi and Starr were also dominant. In the modern era, Walsh and Montana are the best IMO. I don't know man. Joe Montana is tied with Vinny Testaverde for game winning drives, while Brady is tied for 2nd with Marino. That's the only applicable stat to QBs.
plenzmd1 Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Long time ago, history says Paul Brown and Otto Graham are the greatest coach/QB combo. Lombardi and Starr were also dominant. In the modern era, Walsh and Montana are the best IMO. I cant comment on the first two combo's, just a bit before my time, but I will take BB/TB over BW/JM really based a ton on the salary cap and free agency. I just think they are doing it in a much tougher era for prolonged success, and over a longer period of time.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I don't know man. Joe Montana is tied with Vinny Testaverde for game winning drives, while Brady is tied for 2nd with Marino. That's the only applicable stat to QBs. ....Joe+Brady= NINE Lombardis.........not applicable?....
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....Joe+Brady= NINE Lombardis.........not applicable?.... Nope. Just Game Winning Drives. Learned that right here on this board! 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Nope. Just Game Winning Drives. Learned that right here on this board! ...all that hardware goes to waste......oh well.....
26CornerBlitz Posted December 1, 2017 Author Posted December 1, 2017 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: I cant comment on the first two combo's, just a bit before my time, but I will take BB/TB over BW/JM really based a ton on the salary cap and free agency. I just think they are doing it in a much tougher era for prolonged success, and over a longer period of time. BB/TB have barely squeaked by in SB wins, were handed two by SEA and ATL and then there's the whole cheating element. OTOH, BW/JM never lost a SB and generally crushed opponents. All a matter of opinion as both combos have achieved greatly. 1 1
stevewin Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: BB/TB have barely squeaked by in SB wins, were handed two by SEA and ATL and then there's the whole cheating element. OTOH, BW/JM never lost a SB and generally crushed opponents. All a matter of opinion as both combos have achieved greatly. They were also handed one against the Rams. Friggin Mike Martz
26CornerBlitz Posted December 1, 2017 Author Posted December 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, stevewin said: They were also handed one against the Rams. Friggin Mike Martz Martz did not excel that day to say the least.
Herc11 Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Don't forget, Montana also played in the era that you could actually hit the QB. He also didn't have all these rules favoring the passing offense. 2
dlonce Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Nope. Just Game Winning Drives. Learned that right here on this board! Thats good stat to use,not completion percentage. Hell,I could throw swing passes to a running back all day long and get my percentage rate up. What those GOATS have in common are they perform,notably in crunch time.
Chris66 Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Long time ago, but history says Paul Brown and Otto Graham are the greatest coach/QB combo. Lombardi and Starr were also dominant. In the modern era, Walsh and Montana are the best IMO. When you look atnit in the same context Brady/Belichick combo even beats Brown and Graham out. The nfl championship game was like the old baseball pennant games. So todays conference championship game would be equal to yesteryear's nfl championship game.
26CornerBlitz Posted December 1, 2017 Author Posted December 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Chris66 said: When you look atnit in the same context Brady/Belichick combo even beats Brown and Graham out. The nfl championship game was like the old baseball pennant games. So todays conference championship game would be equal to yesteryear's nfl championship game. Not exactly.
dlonce Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: BB/TB have barely squeaked by in SB wins, were handed two by SEA and ATL and then there's the whole cheating element. OTOH, BW/JM never lost a SB and generally crushed opponents. All a matter of opinion as both combos have achieved greatly. Imagine Bill Walsh with TB. Perfect West Coast QB. Bill Walsh was one of the greatest coaches of all time. BB is helped by TB. His previous coaching gigs didn’t show his greatness. There are a couple things that make B.B. a really good coach and that his ability to adapt to situations on the fly. He has taken poor defensive showings and turned them into a solid group,regardless of personnel.
Chris66 Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Not exactly. Yes really, when the season ended the top 2 teams in each division played for the championship game. Today you have to play at least 2 playoff games to get to the Superbowl.
PatsFanNH Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: BB/TB have barely squeaked by in SB wins, were handed two by SEA and ATL and then there's the whole cheating element. OTOH, BW/JM never lost a SB and generally crushed opponents. All a matter of opinion as both combos have achieved greatly. Wait the 49ers were cheaters too. Jerry Rice admitted to it. That said different eras and I hate comparing them. brady has taken the Pats to 7 SB in 14 years! (Not counting this year or year out injured) I say he deserves his place in the argument as best ever as 50% of the time your in the SB with him is shocking. Add in I think 11 AFC Championship games . That's almost 80%!!! I mean these number for TB/BB are scary. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted December 1, 2017 Author Posted December 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Chris66 said: Yes really, when the season ended the top 2 teams in each division played for the championship game. Today you have to play at least 2 playoff games to get to the Superbowl. I know the format. It was what it was. PB/OG teams would have dominated irrespective of the format.
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