Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 He was benched for GENO SMITH Keep repeating that and let it sink in
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, jmc12290 said: Eli won't come here. He'll stay with the Giants, retire or rejoin Coughlin. ....doubt he stays with Gi-AINTS......Coughlin is probably a good bet......other speculation has been Denver.........
Happy Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Just in Atlanta said: I can't believe he was benched for Geno Smith. What the Hell is going on in New York? Is it McAdoo's hair? Supposedly this decision came from Mara, or at the least had his blessing. Not sure why they want to start Geno Smith, who has had more than enough NFL starts to know exactly who he is and how bad he is.
JohnC Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 I'm proposing a fantasy deal. The Browns pick up McCarron in the offseason, a player they belatedly traded for in a nullified deal. The Bills then trade both of their first round picks and a second round pick for their pick. Then the Bills selected the highest rated qb on their board. The Browns then have a more experienced player at qb allowing Kizer more time to develop. My caveat to this deal is if the Bills rate Mayfield or Jackson as their preferred qb target then they can still make a deal up the board but not give up so much to do so.
BigBuff423 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 I think the only way I support it, is IF they were to Draft a QB. Eli was a great QB, and one writer pointed out that if it weren't for Gilbride's vertical passing system, Eli probably would have had a lot fewer INTs and more yardage. I think Eli still has a couple years left in the tank for a good team, but I would also want the future waiting in the wings.
Happy Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....doubt he stays with Gi-AINTS......Coughlin is probably a good bet......other speculation has been Denver......... I can see this. Elway probably thinks he can make another run at a SB with another Manning. He likes his old QBs in the sunset of their careers. Odd that Elway, being who he is, has done a poor job of getting a good, young QB in the draft.
section122 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 34 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: For the 'we want better than a .500 QB' crew, Eli is 110-100 in his career (0.524), Tyrod's 21-18 (0.538). And it could be easily argued that Eli has benefitted from better defenses over that span than Tyrod's had backing him up. Speaking career numbers: Eli: 59.8% Completions, 238.1 Pass Yards per Game, 7.01 YPA, 229.8 Total Yards per Game, 4.6% TD%, 3.1% INT%, 83.8 Passer Rating, 5.93 ANY/A TT: 61.5% Completions, 202.1 Pass Yards per Game, 7.19 YPA, 224.2 Total Yards per Game, 4.4% TD%, 1.3% INT%, 93.5 Passer Rating, 6.34 ANY/A Clearly Eli has 2 rings and is a Super Bowl MVP, but those numbers are awfully close considering one was drafted 1st overall and 1 was a 6th rounder. Dammit Hokie I wanted to post that lol. I pulled the numbers the other day and posted them. They are relevant in this thread as well. Some fun Eli facts: Did you know he has a 110-100 record? Did you know he has 3 years of 20+ ints? Did you know he has never completed more than 63.1% of his passes in a season? and a career 59.8%? Did you know he has only thrown for more than 7 ypa 6 out of 14 years starting? Did you know he has a career qb rating of 83.8 which is the same as Joe Flacco? Did you know he has thrown 222 ints in 210 career starts. More than 1 a game Did you know he has thrown 334 tds in 210 career starts. About 1.5 per game. So the average Eli game is 241.3 yards a game combined, 1.5 tds and 1 ints. For comparison Tyrod goes for 238.3 combined, 1.55 tds and .23 ints a game. Somehow out of these numbers Tyrod is garbage and a backup qb at best and Eli is a HOFer.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, section122 said: So the average Eli game is 241.3 yards a game combined, 1.5 tds and 1 ints. For comparison Tyrod goes for 238.3 combined, 1.55 tds and .23 ints a game. Somehow out of these numbers Tyrod is garbage and a backup qb at best and Eli is a HOFer. My total yard per game number subtracted sacks, in case you were curious why there was a difference.
Teddy KGB Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, section122 said: Tyrod is garbage and a backup qb at best and Eli is a HOFer. I agree with this as will the HOF committee.
section122 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said: I agree with this as will the HOF committee. Perhaps one could almost say Eli pantsed Tyrod?
BigBuff423 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I was just responding to the things that you were looking for. You brought up 3 things and 2 of them were false. Tyrod is not very good in the 2 minute drill, is Eli anymore? I don’t know how to find that information but I’d assume that the Bills have scored as many or more points than the Giants in the 2 minute drill. I think everyone would agree to that. Over a 16 game season Tyrod has been a superior player for almost 2 years. "Superior player"....if you count rushing yards, fine....if you say he is the better athlete, no argument here.... But "superior" QB, oh hell to the no. QBs are supposed to pass the ball to their WRs and TEs, use the RB by design and occasionally a dump-off...hit all areas of the field, read a Defense and audible....oh Dear God, here I go again....it's fine. You like Tyrod, I don't....this is like beating my balls with a meat hammer....
section122 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: My total yard per game number subtracted sacks, in case you were curious why there was a difference. Thanks I was but I just assumed I made a mistake in my calculations 1 minute ago, BigBuff423 said: "Superior player"....if you count rushing yards, fine....if you say he is the better athlete, no argument here.... But "superior" QB, oh hell to the no. QBs are supposed to pass the ball to their WRs and TEs, use the RB by design and occasionally a dump-off...hit all areas of the field, read a Defense and audible....oh Dear God, here I go again....it's fine. You like Tyrod, I don't....this is like beating my balls with a meat hammer.... I think you are stuck in comparing careers. Although they are closer than many (including myself) thought this is more about who they are as a qb now. Eli hasn't looked good for the last 2 years. He played great in 2015. Since then not so much.
Teddy KGB Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, section122 said: Perhaps one could almost say Eli pantsed Tyrod? 24-10 ? 3 Td's for Eli. Not sure if he pantsed him but he def was better https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mZjmEE1RQjU
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: "Superior player"....if you count rushing yards, fine....if you say he is the better athlete, no argument here.... But "superior" QB, oh hell to the no. QBs are supposed to pass the ball to their WRs and TEs, use the RB by design and occasionally a dump-off...hit all areas of the field, read a Defense and audible....oh Dear God, here I go again....it's fine. You like Tyrod, I don't....this is like beating my balls with a meat hammer.... I brought facts. He completes a higher percentage of balls. He throws TDs at a higher rate, INTs at a lower rate. He averages more yards per attempt and per completion. Which “passing” metrics are you using to support that? Or is it “eye test” and “your perception?” I am just giving you facts.
section122 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Air it out Fitzy said: 24-10 ? 3 Td's for Eli. Not sure if he pantsed him but he def was better https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mZjmEE1RQjU uggghhh that ridiculous missed tackle on 3rd and 3. My post was tongue in cheek though. You remind me of a poster that isn't here anymore unfortunately. I miss his posts although I guess I don't have to pay up on our bet about Wentz that I lost horribly. 1
BringBackOrton Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I brought facts. He completes a higher percentage of balls. He throws TDs at a higher rate, INTs at a lower rate. He averages more yards per attempt and per completion. Which “passing” metrics are you using to support that? Or is it “eye test” and “your perception?” I am just giving you facts. When he's enshrined in the annals of football history and Tyrod is a footnote, who will weep for the minor difference in TD%? Edited November 30, 2017 by jmc12290
BigBuff423 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 55 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: For the 'we want better than a .500 QB' crew, Eli is 110-100 in his career (0.524), Tyrod's 21-18 (0.538). And it could be easily argued that Eli has benefitted from better defenses over that span than Tyrod's had backing him up. Speaking career numbers: Eli: 59.8% Completions, 238.1 Pass Yards per Game, 7.01 YPA, 229.8 Total Yards per Game, 4.6% TD%, 3.1% INT%, 83.8 Passer Rating, 5.93 ANY/A TT: 61.5% Completions, 202.1 Pass Yards per Game, 7.19 YPA, 224.2 Total Yards per Game, 4.4% TD%, 1.3% INT%, 93.5 Passer Rating, 6.34 ANY/A Clearly Eli has 2 rings and is a Super Bowl MVP, but those numbers are awfully close considering one was drafted 1st overall and 1 was a 6th rounder. On what planet is Tyrod averaging 224 yards a game????....he's averaging 184 THIS year! He only has 2 other years and NEITHER of them were more than 216 yards a game. https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/tyrod-taylor-player-stats
fridge Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Air it out Fitzy said: Tyrod > Eli talk is wild. One game with your life on the line, you're picking Eli. To be fair, if it's one game with my life on the line it's possible I'm picking Eli over almost any QB of the last 20 years. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: I can see this. Elway probably thinks he can make another run at a SB with another Manning. He likes his old QBs in the sunset of their careers. Odd that Elway, being who he is, has done a poor job of getting a good, young QB in the draft. ....QB spot is a head scratcher.......Lynch has been injured most of 2017 so he grades INCOMPLETE....Osweiller made his $37 mil round trip right back to Denver and all that changed was his wallet being stuffed......Siemian has had his ups and downs...BIG mistake was not keeping Wade as DC......BUT....keep in mind Elway has a BIGGER ego than TrainWrecks....people I know who know him say "arrogant".......... Edited November 30, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: When he's enshrined in the annals of football history and Tyrod is a footnote, who will weep for the minor difference in TD%? Not me (and I have said Eli is a HOF player). I just try to provide perspective. I’m not trying to be a jerk, just to provide perspective. Hokie and section122 have done a great job of it. There are people here that legitimately think Taylor is terrible but a blind resume next to Eli and he compares favorably. He is much, much closer to Eli and guys like that than he is EJ, Edwards and the other bums we’ve played. Obviously Eli has those 2 massive victories.
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