GG Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 If poverty was the reason they came over then they would be included in the "your poor" part of the poem - not the yearning part. 270081[/snapback] Except that I did not introduce the poem about immigration into a debate about economic security, and then evade questions asking what they have to do with one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Except that I did not introduce the poem about immigration into a debate about economic security, and then evade questions asking what they have to do with one another. 270107[/snapback] There is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Except that I did not introduce the poem about immigration into a debate about economic security, and then evade questions asking what they have to do with one another. But you replied to it didn't you? I've seen no replies from you about SS in this thread. Just about the poem. (Unless you are using multiple names.) I've put opinions about solutions for the SS issue out there already in the thread. I'll be waiting to see your solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 There is that. 270125[/snapback] Are you being GG's parrot again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Are you being GG's parrot again? 271015[/snapback] Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Yep. 271092[/snapback] It sure beats being PIA's parrot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 It sure beats being PIA's parrot. 271300[/snapback] Nice.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 But you replied to it didn't you? I've seen no replies from you about SS in this thread. Just about the poem. (Unless you are using multiple names.) I've put opinions about solutions for the SS issue out there already in the thread. I'll be waiting to see your solutions. 271012[/snapback] My initial reply in this thread consisted of a question of what in the world the poem had to do with Social Security. (Still waiting for an answer) If you want to know my opinion on the SS topic, spend some time with the "Search" function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 If you want to know my opinion on the SS topic, spend some time with the "Search" function. I searched this thread on SS and didn't see anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 My initial reply in this thread consisted of a question of what in the world the poem had to do with Social Security. (Still waiting for an answer) Do I really need to explain the obvious to you? Historically speaking, your typical immigrant was not the wealthiest of people. Perhaps not the most well-educated also. Typically immigrants have taken jobs which do not pay as well as what you make. Therefore they will rely more on what they get in SS benefits when they retire. You might not need the program when you retire but that lower income person will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 Do I really need to explain the obvious to you? Historically speaking, your typical immigrant was not the wealthiest of people. Perhaps not the most well-educated also. Typically immigrants have taken jobs which do not pay as well as what you make. Therefore they will rely more on what they get in SS benefits when they retire. You might not need the program when you retire but that lower income person will. 273927[/snapback] Yeah, all those immigrants in the 19th century were really counting on their SS to get by. Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 Yeah, all those immigrants in the 19th century were really counting on their SS to get by. Thanks for the clarification. 274343[/snapback] Thanks for helping explain the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Yeah, all those immigrants in the 19th century were really counting on their SS to get by. Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, because no one is immigrating to the US anymore. Hello? Mcfly?! If you recall - I said we need to add a line to the poem - that would be added today, not in the 19th century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Yeah, because no one is immigrating to the US anymore. Hello? Mcfly?! If you recall - I said we need to add a line to the poem - that would be added today, not in the 19th century. 275281[/snapback] You make about as much sense as a screen door on a battleship there, Biff. People are immigrating here because of social security??? Try again. People immigrate here for the opportunity (there's that word again that you hate so much) to work hard and make something of themselves. They don't come here to have the government take care of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 You make about as much sense as a screen door on a battleship there, Biff.People are immigrating here because of social security??? Try again. People immigrate here for the opportunity (there's that word again that you hate so much) to work hard and make something of themselves. They don't come here to have the government take care of them. 275602[/snapback] I shan't go into the story of my grandfather again, but I'll guaran-damn-tee you he didn't come to America to utilize social security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 People immigrate here for the opportunity (there's that word again that you hate so much) to work hard and make something of themselves. They don't come here to have the government take care of them. 275602[/snapback] Well, I don't know about that. As always, a blanket statement does not accurately reflect reality. There are definitely people who immigrate here for social services (healthcare, welfare, etc). I am not saying a majority do this, but there is a segment of the immigration population who are here strictly for those advantages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Considering that there are "for profit" classes in other countries about how to immigrate to the US and take advantage of the social largesse, I'd say everyone is right and wrong about this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Well, I don't know about that. As always, a blanket statement does not accurately reflect reality. There are definitely people who immigrate here for social services (healthcare, welfare, etc). I am not saying a majority do this, but there is a segment of the immigration population who are here strictly for those advantages. 275618[/snapback] Oh I agree, there are plenty of leeches among immigrants as well as natives here. I didn't intend it as an absolute. I'm just questioning the continued attempt to tie the desire of immigrants to come to this country and this country's willingness to accept them with social programs sponsored by the federal government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 I never stated that immigrants are coming over specifically for SS. But if they become citizens and get jobs then they will be eligible for it when they retire. And then back to the rest of what I said - if those jobs they get are low paying then they will need to rely more on whatever SS benefits they get. The world is not black or white / all or nothing. You shouldn't generalize so much or assume that others are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 The only thing I'd change about your post is this " When they're trying to spend YOUR money, YOUR government classifies a cop married to a teacher as "rich." To the rest, jump in anywhere you want. $$$$$$$$$$$$$Disgusting 266155[/snapback] Ohhh Geeesh ! A cop married to a teacher. Some around here would call that blasphemy govn't dole welfare people that dont deserve anything because their job are so easy and are way over paid. They should live in a tent, eat crackers and water for meals each day. Wait a minute, prison sounds better. At least I dont have to work for my crackers and water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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