BrooklynBills Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, yungmack said: Sounds like the full phrase should be "NFL executive with close ties to Robert Kraft." NE will be laughing up their sleeve if the Bills take Mayfield. The whole crux of the assessment is also based on the fact that he is similar to Taylor which just shows that whoever made this statement is just not following the situation here. Edited November 30, 2017 by BrooklynBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Any of them wrestle in high school? If so you know that's who we're picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 49 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't agree. I don't think it is outstanding but it is adequate in my mind. And as people who have been here years will know I am not a great believer in arm strength being the most important factor. Yeah, Rudolph has decent arm strength. Given his size one may think he'd have a rocket but that's something he can develop. Lamar Jackson has a great arm but seems like most on this board are against taking him because he's "Tyrod 2.0." He's a little bigger than Tyrod and has more of that "it" factor where you could see him as a guy that always gives the team a shot. To me, Rosen is the best QB in this class. His attitude will be the big thing talked about leading up to the draft. I think Darnold goes back to USC. Luke Falk plays in a system that throws the ball a ton and that coach up at Washington State has always been known to have QBs who rack up mad stats but their games rarely translate well to the NFL. I wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo goes with one of these guys who isn't mentioned in the same breath as Rosen, Darnold, etc. Maybe that Northwestern kid or the NC State kid. Who knows. Actually the NC State kid wouldn't surprise me at all given that Beane and McD probably have a decent amount of knowledge on him given that he's played in the same state they just got done living in for, like, 25 combined years (McD like 6 years but Beane was there 19). And he's experienced, he's developed and improved each year he's played. Just needs to gain some weight to hold up to NFL hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said: The third best QB(Josh Allen) is a great QB prospect who likely would have been the 1st QB taken last year. It is not unrealistic to think that the Bills would be able to swing a trade with either the Colts, Browns(they have the Texans 1st), 49ers, Bucs, or Bears, all of whom will be picking in the top 10, with a great chance that the Bears, 49ers, and Colts are in the top 5. Those 3 teams will absolutely be looking for extra draft picks after making trades for QBs(49ers, Bears) or having needs at literally every position besides QB(Colts). I am ambivalent about Allen based on what I have read about him. I have not seen him play, but the folks on this board who seem bright about qb seem uncertain or positively against him. So I am just going off what they have said. I've seen Mayfield and Jackson and think they have potential. Anyway, Allen has the measurables in abundance. 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I don't have any evidence for this, but at the end of the day I think Darnold comes out. Too many people think he's the best prospect in the draft, and I think he'd go #1 overall if he leaves SC. I don't see how he can turn that up. Unless he really, really, really doesn't want to play for Cleveland. (And who could blame him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Just say no to short QBs. rudolph please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I am ambivalent about Allen based on what I have read about him. I have not seen him play, but the folks on this board who seem bright about qb seem uncertain or positively against him. So I am just going off what they have said. I've seen Mayfield and Jackson and think they have potential. Anyway, Allen has the measurables in abundance. Unless he really, really, really doesn't want to play for Cleveland. (And who could blame him) The problem with that decision for Darnold is that Cleveland could very well have the 1st pick next year as well. Edited November 30, 2017 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: After the season he's had, he needs to. He has regressed. I'd take Rosen over him without blinking. He regressed? With as many as 13 starters out with injuries at times, with all 3 starting interior lineman out, with red shirted freshmen forced to play, with new and inexperienced RBs & WRs replacing several stars, it took awhile to gel. But now SC is 10-2, and playing for the PAC 12 championship. And the heart of that offense is Sam Darnold. I'll take that "regression" everyday of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I actually don’t believe the Browns will take a QB with their 1st pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Mayfield is a very intriguing prospect for sure. It is a deep QB class this year with no one really standing out at the top. Perfect year to have a mid round pick imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 22 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: The last time we tried to get a bargain and even traded up to get someone thought to be hovering near the top prospects at QB we got JP Losman. I don't care if we need to trade both our 1sts and next year's first and another pick to move up, we need a real blue-chipper, not another project. It depends on the players. Would you trade extra first and second round picks to jump up and take Phillip Rivers when you could sit back and still take Roethlesburger at 10? Sometimes the difference in talent warrants keeping the picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) You're using one of the absolute best draft for QBs maybe ever to make your point. Would you rather take Ryan Leaf than Peyton Manning? Take a top 2 guy, there aren't that many drafts with 3+ good Qbs. I don't get this frugality. What's the downside? We stink again for another 2-3 years because the trade up set us back? That small-minded thinking is why we've been screwing up the most important position on the field for SEVENTEEN years. I'm tired of "taking a swing" with guys who aren't consensus top picks. Bite the bullet, trade the farm and get us a QB. Edited November 30, 2017 by ndirish1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Personally, I'd love to see Mayfield give Belicheck and company the international suck it sign on the sideline with the Bills up 30-10 in the fourth quarter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: You're using one of the absolute best draft for QBs maybe ever to make your point. Would you rather take Ryan Leaf than Peyton Manning? Take a top 2 guy, there aren't that many drafts with 3+ good Qbs. I don't get this frugality. What's the downside? We stink again for another 2-3 years because the trade up set us back? That small-minded thinking is why we've been screwing up the most important position on the field for SEVENTEEN years. I'm tired of "taking a swing" with guys who aren't consensus top picks. Bite the bullet, trade the farm and get us a QB. That's what scouts are for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 43 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said: The third best QB(Josh Allen) is a great QB prospect who likely would have been the 1st QB taken last year. Not for the first time in this thread I completely disagree. His accuracy sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Woodman19 said: That's what scouts are for. His hype train is already in full force, so I doubt that he will last until the middle of the 1st round.He'll likely be a top 10, maybe even a top 3 or a top 5 pick based on inflation of the position and hype alone. If someone wants him, they will trade up for him before Buffalo gets on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Any difference between Mayfield and PSU QB Trace McSorley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 4 hours ago, Doc said: True. And part of the scouting process is to see whether (most of) those 12 INTs were on him. If they were, you pass because he's doing that in college and it won't get any better in the pros. I recall legions of TSW "scouts" saying the same thing about Deshawn Watson a year ago---the INTs and "accuracy issues". This is a non problem. The kid's a confident playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: I think the wise move is to spend a crapload of draft capital in the one year we have it and get a franchise qb. A franchise QB is a dozen-year investment. If he pans out, he covers up everything else. I do not want to settle for Brady Quinn, JP Losman, Christian Ponder, or Brandon Weeden. If the team actually believes that one of the top guys is a sure-thing franchise qb, do what you have to do to get him. We will have the ability to do it for once this year. I still wince at the fact that the Bills couldn't muster up enough draft capital to trade up past Pitt in 2004 and get Roethlisberger, who they loved. The "economical move" doesn't really apply here because in football it's a winner-take-all market in which the QB is everything. Well put, I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: Not unfair- I’m not an expert on mayfield but things like hard working and pudgy are hard to reconcile for me. With Wilson it was clear he checked every box but had height questions. With mayfield there are a ton of question marks across the board. No one should compare anyone to Wilson. He's an absolute freak of nature. He not only checked every box except height, he was excellent as a prospect in virtually everything else. His senior year he was better than the one overall pick, RGB, who supposedly had one of the greatest seasons in college football history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Not for the first time in this thread I completely disagree. His accuracy sucks. Not trying to be snarky - Are you watching him throw or just looking at his stats? He plays with FAR less WR talent than anyone else mentioned here and he is not playing a QB-friendly system like Mayfield, Rudolph, Falk, Jackson, etc. Carson Wentz threw in the low 60% in this offense in div 2 CFB. Allen is throwing mid 50% in div 1. His accuracy is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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