Theshallowcross Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:30 AM, Wayne Arnold said: I offered evidence that refutes the silly statement that Peterman "never elevated his offense even in college". Expand And you were proven wrong. Congrats. On 11/30/2017 at 2:30 AM, Wayne Arnold said: Don't understand college systems, do ya? Expand ROFL. Do explain.
Tatonka68 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 The mighty Tyrod the terrible, check down Charlie, will **** the bed Sunday. Petermen will mop up like the Saints game and end this madness.
Big Gun Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 12:43 AM, Theshallowcross said: Yards and TD's thrown are your only barometer of QB success huh? Taylor is a dual-threat QB and I find it absurd when his rushing statistics are discarded as well as his proficiency to not turn the ball over. Taylor leads the entire league in rushing yards from the quarterback position since the time he was a starter. He also has an excellent 4/1 TD/INT ratio in his time here. Why all that is glossed over is beyond me? Expand What is the main criteria the HOF uses to evaluate a QBs worthiness to get enshrined?
Bing Bong Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:30 AM, Wayne Arnold said: I offered evidence that refutes the silly statement that Peterman "never elevated his offense even in college". Expand Lol ok my b, I'm sure he did I don't really care for CFB.
Theshallowcross Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) On 11/30/2017 at 2:32 AM, PeterGriffin said: What is the main criteria the HOF uses to evaluate a QBs worthiness to get enshrined? Expand Rings. The ability to elevate the talent around you. Being the best at your position for multiple years. They don't just let anyone in. On 11/30/2017 at 2:33 AM, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Lol ok my b, I'm sure he did I don't really care for CFB. Expand Don't apologize to him. He did nothing of the sort. He proved nothing. Even a quick look at college football reference shows exactly the type of quarterback that Peterman is... A future insurance salesman. Edited November 30, 2017 by Theshallowcross
Bing Bong Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:32 AM, Tatonka68 said: The mighty Tyrod the terrible, check down Charlie, will **** the bed Sunday. Petermen will mop up like the Saints game and end this madness. Expand Peterman talk triggers me. Where did this ****storm come from.
Theshallowcross Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:36 AM, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Peterman talk triggers me. Where did this ****storm come from. Expand Dudes trolling at this point. No way either of them actually believe Peterman is a good player.
Wayne Arnold Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:31 AM, Theshallowcross said: And you were proven wrong. Congrats. ROFL. Do explain. Expand 7th in the country in passing yards per attempt. But please, tell me about how comparing total passing yards between players from two completely different offensive systems isn't apples and oranges.
Bing Bong Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:33 AM, Theshallowcross said: Rings. The ability to elevate the talent around you. Being the best at your position for multiple years. They don't just let anyone in. He did nothing of the sort. He proved nothing. Even a quick look at college football reference shows exactly the type of quarterback that Peterman is... A future insurance salesman. Expand He's not an NFL quarterback regardless. HOW DOES 5 PICKS IN ONE HALF not affect insane h 1
Theshallowcross Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:37 AM, Wayne Arnold said: 7th in the country in passing yards per attempt. But please, tell me about how comparing total passing yards between players from two completely different offensive systems isn't apples and oranges. Expand YPA has everything to do with the offensive system. Pitts run game coupled with their play action game opened up the deeper route concepts. They hardly let the kid throw can we stop pretending that he is a good player?
Billsfan1972 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 12:57 AM, Buffalo30 said: I've gone back and forth between completely changing the offense for Tyrod, who clearly won't be there next year. If I'm a new coach, I don't know if I can do that. You'd be having all your other guys who will be on the team next learn a new scheme again. That can be a setback for some. I guess I just get where they are coming from. Expand How do you change the whole offense? You put him in shotgun, with Shady< move the pocket at time, have a speed receiver to go long and pass some more. It's not a huge change, just tweaks, On 11/30/2017 at 1:01 AM, billieve420 said: It was a team effort under a system suited to its players strengths. To diminish Tyrod's role in that is not being realistic. The threat of Tyrod running and read option forced defenses to account for him and allowed opportunities for McCoy to make plays in space. I mean even Gillislee looked like an All-Pro in that offense and where is he now on the bench a healthy scratch. Up front we returned the same players as last year and McCoy is not leading a top ten offense this year. What changed how about the entire offensive system. To summarize top ranked offense last year all McCoy. This year bottom ranked offense all on Tyrod. Yep makes sense to me. Expand So it's all Shady's fault....... How about trading Watkins too?
Bing Bong Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:30 AM, Wayne Arnold said: Don't understand college systems, do ya? Expand At the risk of pissing off shallow cross, who gives a **** about CFB. His pro statline speak for itself
Theshallowcross Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) On 11/30/2017 at 2:42 AM, PetermanThrew5Picks said: At the risk of pissing off shallow cross, who gives a **** about CFB. His pro statline speak for itself Expand You're cool man. I do Happen to love college ball (I'm a Bills/NFL fan first and foremost). I think all the most innovative offensive philosophies are at the college level and are slowly being integrated into NFL playbooks. My grandfather coached at the high school level for 27 years. I'm from Ohio so my college team is ALWAYS good. That helps as well. This Wayne dude has no idea what he is talking about and I would love for him to debate scheme with me. Edited November 30, 2017 by Theshallowcross
Big Gun Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:03 AM, Theshallowcross said: The literal WORST bad half of all time. If he were maybe a higher draft pick with more upside I could be more forgiving but what we're talking about is a guy who never elevated his offense even in college and was THE definition of a tire fire meeting a trainwreck in one half of football. As far as Taylor goes, I wish people wouldn't be so quick to draw their proverbial line in the sand and would understand context. Anyone who advocates for Dennison while simultaneously blaming Taylor has no idea what they're watching IMO. Expand If you know football like you say you do, then you would also acknowledge that not all those interceptions were on NP and he was also put into a no win situation. You knew that though, right? Yeah it was so ugly and extreme I don't believe that half of football defines how good or bad NP really is. Just like if he had thrown 5 TDs in a half, I equally wouldn't think he would have been HOF worthy either.
Big Turk Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 The next time you hear Tyrod yelling out "52 is the Mike" to alert the center to adjust the protection calls at the line of scrimmage will be the first... Considering the amount of 8 man boxes and Cover 1 and Cover 0 teams play against us there are protection/audible calls to be made on almost every play. Teams dont respect our WRs and they dont respect Tyrod or his ability to make those calls. Simple as that.
Wayne Arnold Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:47 AM, Theshallowcross said: You're cool man. I do Happen to love college ball (I'm a Bills/NFL fan first and foremost). I think all the most innovative offensibe philosophies are at the college level and are slowly being integrated into NFL playbooks. My grandfather coached at the high school level for 27 years. I'm from Ohio so my college team is ALWAYS good. That helps as well. This Wayne dude has no idea what he is talking about and I would love for him to debate scheme with me. Expand Haha you're so full of ****.
Big Gun Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:28 AM, Theshallowcross said: He didn't pass for more than 3,000 yards in ANY season. That's incredible in college football. 2015 - 2,287 yards 2016 - 2,855 yards Pitt offense: 2015 pass attempts - 26.4 2015 rush attempts - 39.2 2016 pass attempts - 24.9 2016 rush attempts - 41.7 Can we get real now? That's a run first team with James Connor at the helm. They did everything that they could to hide Peterman. Even in college. Just stop. Expand Neither did Tyrod
Billsfan1972 Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:48 AM, PeterGriffin said: If you know football like you say you do, then you would also acknowledge that not all those interceptions were on NP and he was also put into a no win situation. You knew that though, right? Yeah it was so ugly and extreme I don't believe that half of football defines how good or bad NP really is. Just like if he had thrown 5 TDs in a half, I equally wouldn't think he would have been HOF worthy either. Expand Ok 4 were his fault, a sixth too was almost thrown and he fumbled a snap in the shotgun........ It was a win/win situation and gave the Bills the best chance to win according to the Bills braintrust we were told.......
Theshallowcross Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:50 AM, Wayne Arnold said: Haha you're so full of ****. Expand How so? I still haven't heard you explain my lack of knowledge for college scheme. On 11/30/2017 at 2:55 AM, PeterGriffin said: Neither did Tyrod Expand Again Taylor is a Dual-threat QB. He ran the ball 501 times at Virginia Tech. I don't understand yet again why his rushing ability isn't considered?
Wayne Arnold Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 2:57 AM, Theshallowcross said: How so? I still haven't heard you explain my lack of knowledge for college scheme. Expand You haven't offered any knowledge. But saying a QB who finished 7th out of 130 teams in yards per attempt, 7th in passer rating, and whose offense finished 10th in the country in points per game compared to 100th this season after he left "never elevated his offense" is enough proof that you don't know what you're talking about.
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