Giants to Start Geno Smith at QB - Eli to Start Again After HC and GM Fired

[GoBills808]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

2-9 record.  

Is that a no?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Is that a no?

 

Gonna go out on a limb here and say yes.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Is that a no?

 

That's a get real. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, 1billsfan said:

Given how bad the AFC is, trading for Eli Manning wouldn't be a bad idea if they would be able to fix the offensive line and the defense with the draft and free agency. He probably has two good years left and which would give Beane and McDermott time to find a replacement when he does retire.

 

 

When was the last time you watched Eli play? He’s worse than Taylor and costs more. That’s a hard pass.

Edited November 28, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Lol....Eli hasnt been that guy for a few years now...long overdue in my opinion...but for Geno???

 

I dont get it...Smith is a turnover machine almost on par with Peterman....

 

Eli is still a very good QB.  The Giants lack WR who can live up to the name this year, and their OL and play calling are suspect.

21 minutes ago, Bocephuz said:

according to Spotrac Eli's cap hit is ~$13 mil in 2018 and 2019 has an out clause.

that is certainly affordable...i'd be up to trade Tyrod in for Eli as the place holder vet for next couple years.

question is... what will NYG ask in trade for him? would they release him?

I would not give up more than a 2nd for Eli personally

and playing Geno first over Davis Webb is a dumb move. Davis Webb was my favorite qb prospect the year he was drafted.. I think he has solid potential.. way more than Geno

 

The Giants owe Eli $5M of roster bonus in the new league year.  They would pretty much have to pay him, to trade him I think.

As a 2x Super Bowl winner, Eli Manning almost certainly has a "no trade" clause in his contract where he must approve any trade.

 

He may very well be cut, and available to entertain suitors.

22 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

To be fair... I don't think he has done that great of a job.  That team was 11-5 last year and he has won 2 games.

 

W-L isn't a QB stat for a reason.  Watch any of their games?

 

Last year Giant's D was outstanding -2nd in the league.  This year they kinda suck - I don't know their roster well enough to tell if it's injuries, key FA losses or what - and Eli's WR can't seem to freakin' catch a cold let alone a football.

[1billsfan]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

When was the last time you watched Eli play? He’s worse than Taylor and costs double. That’s a hard pass.

 

That Giant offensive line is the worst in the league. Brady would have looked like crap behind that line.

 

It seems like he's going to be heading to the Jaguars, but I truly think he would look great with our average offensive line and with talent like Benjamin, Jones, Matthews, Clay and McCoy.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

When was the last time you watched Eli play? He’s worse than Taylor and costs more. That’s a hard pass.

 

Thursday and disagree.  His line sucks and this year with injuries, he doesn't have any receivers that put a fear on another team's DBs.  With all that he's making throws, his receivers can't catch 'em.

 

Edited November 28, 2017 by Hapless Bills Fan

[JoeF]

https://omny.fm/shows/mike-francesa/mike-francesa-destroys-ben-mcadoo

 

Francesa quotes:

 

McAdoo's career is worthless..without Eli

Jerry Reese's career is built on Eli...

 

Without Eli, Reese is unemployed...

Edited November 28, 2017 by JoeF

[BillsFan4]

Well, you can add them to the growing list of teams that will most likely draft a QB in 2018, and sit ahead of us in the draft order.

 

Cleveland

San Fran is a ??

Giants

Jets

Broncos

Miami (possibly) 

Cardinals (possibly) 

Redskins (possibly)

 

 

San Fran is sitting in a perfect spot to start a bidding war between QB needy teams and collect a massive haul of picks (assuming they go with Garoppolo, or Cousins). 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

hang 'em up eli. it would be in your best interest, your best days are well behind you.

Edited November 28, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Jimmyjazz]

Shame we don't have the Giants this season

 

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, 1billsfan said:

 

That Giant offensive line is the worst in the league. Brady would have looked like crap behind that line.

 

It seems like he's going to be heading to the Jaguars, but I truly think he would look great with our average offensive line and with talent like Benjamin, Jones, Matthews, Clay and McCoy.

 

 

He’s done. I’ve been following him the last few years as I’ve had him as a keeper in my 2 QB league. Eli has been a bad QB that is at the end. He’s been a worse player than Tyrod. It’s reflected in rating, QBR, yards per attempt, etc... This is another case of a guy that was good that is now done that for some reason we think is still good.

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Thursday and disagree.

 

What impresses you over the last 2 years?  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm

Edited November 28, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[TigerJ]

I am not a Ben McAdoo fan, but it's clear the Giants aren't making the playoffs, and he might as well experiment.  The Giants' offense clearly isn't working with Eli.  Maybe Geno gets a couple games and then maybe Davis Webb will close out their dismal season.  That way McAdoo's successor will have a bit more of a clue as to what the Giants have in the stable moving forward.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....Genome was actually OBD's top choice until they flew down to interview him and work him out......consensus on the plane ride home was, "um no thanks"......so they "settled" on EJ as "second fiddle".......and the rest is history.............

[dulles]

1 hour ago, WMDman said:

McAdoos nail in the coffin

That landed several weeks ago.  He's a dead man walking...the Mara's are just a little eccentric and so they didn't send him packing.  

I think McAdoo was proving himself to be a good company man by not causing trouble.  He'll get another shot eventually, but the NY situation has gotten bad in a hurry.  I wonder if we'd be interested in him as OC or QB coach?

[Boatdrinks]

24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Thursday and disagree.  His line sucks and this year with injuries, he doesn't have any receivers that put a fear on another team's DBs.  With all that he's making throws, his receivers can't catch 'em.

 

Eli Manning is still a better QB than Tyrod Taylor. At least with regards to passing the football. He needs a decent OL in front of him, but a better passer all day long. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, dulles said:

That landed several weeks ago.  He's a dead man walking...the Mara's are just a little eccentric and so they didn't send him packing.  

I think McAdoo was proving himself to be a good company man by not causing trouble.  He'll get another shot eventually, but the NY situation has gotten bad in a hurry.  I wonder if we'd be interested in him as OC or QB coach?

 

...think I'd take BOB McAdoo first...........

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[HappyDays]

 

[section122]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s done. I’ve been following him the last few years as I’ve had him as a keeper in my 2 QB league. Eli has been a bad QB that is at the end. He’s been a worse player than Tyrod. It’s reflected in rating, QBR, yards per attempt, etc... This is another case of a guy that was good that is now done that for some reason we think is still good.

What impresses you over the last 2 years?  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm

 

Thank you for bringing some sanity to this discussion.  Eli was never great but got hot at the right times.  I feel for him here because he has done so much he doesn't deserve to be yanked but....  He hasn't been good this year or last.  2015 seems to be that last one year that great players have where they flash and then fade.  Tyrod has outplayed him and we know how most fans feel about Tyrod.

 

He has been an ironman however its all but over for him imo.  He doesn't strike me as someone who would skirt the rules and go the HGH route (coughbradycough) and hang around.  Players SHOULD start to fade in their late 30s.  Add a bad oline that allows him to get hit often and I'm surprised his starting game streak has reached the number it has.

 

Some fun Eli facts:

 

Did you know he has a 110-100 record? 

Did you know he has 3 years of 20+ ints?

Did you know he has never completed more than 63.1% of his passes in a season? and a career 59.8%?

Did you know he has only thrown for more than 7 ypa 6 out of 14 years starting?

Did you know he has a career qb rating of 83.8 which is the same as Joe Flacco?

Did you know he has thrown 222 ints in 210 career starts.  More than 1 a game

Did you know he has thrown 334 tds in 210 career starts.  About 1.5 per game.  

 

So the average Eli game is 241.3 yards a game combined, 1.5 tds and 1 ints.  For comparison Tyrod goes for 238.3 combined, 1.55 tds and .23 ints a game.  Somehow out of these numbers Tyrod is garbage and a backup qb at best and Eli is a HOFer.