Still a lot of hating on McDermott after a win...

[Jauronimo]

33 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

The realism was from taking a shot at an unquantified, unknown entity rather than expecting Tyrod to transform into something he isn't overnight. The chances of the latter were hovering around zero, so there you go. 

The realism you're discussing is trying to improve the passing game by replacing a known, quantified entity who has proven himself capable of winning games in the NFL with a hope and a wish that a 5th round rookie, making his first start on the road will go out there and play like a veteran.  What part of realism fails to consider the track record of rookie QBs, making their first NFL start, and on the road no less?  What part of realism gambles the season on that situation being better than an NFL vet who has led the team to a winning record this year?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

The realism you're discussing is trying to improve the passing game by replacing a known, quantified entity who has proven himself capable of winning games in the NFL with a hope and a wish that a 5th round rookie, making his first start on the road will go out there and play like a veteran.  What part of realism fails to consider the track record of rookie QBs, making their first NFL start, and on the road no less?  What part of realism gambles the season on that situation being better than an NFL vet who has led the team to a winning record this year?

 

.....so then according to the "One & Done Gang" and their Doctrine of Evaluation, a 5th rounder with OTA's, practice, and scant one game mop up duty and who has a disastrous first start, has had MORE than ample time to rightfully earn the BUST label....EXPERT analysis is location, location, location....and he's a BUST according to TBD standards......

Edited November 27, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[dulles]

42 minutes ago, Gray Beard said:

I will reserve my opinion on McDermott until next season.  I feel like Dennison is the one who is holding the team back.  McDermott has energy, discipline, etc.  Just the opposite of Rex.  Now I want to see if Dennison can either change the conservative nonsense, or is replaced next season (I know, I know, replacing your OC is not the type of continuity that winning teams thrive on).  If McDermott lets Dennison continue next season with the same lame offense, then I will hold McDermott responsible.

I agree...gotta see more than one year to assess a coach.  I would also apply that to Dennison.  Can he grow out of his conservatism?  Can he adapt his system and develop the QB position?   If not, then I think you need to make a change.

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....so then according to the "One & Done Gang" and their Doctrine of Evaluation, a 5th rounder with OTA's, practice, and scant one game mop up duty and who has a disastrous first start, has had MORE than ample time to rightfully earn the BUST label....EXPERT analysis is location, location, location....and he's a BUST according to TBD standards......

Discussion is a lot more productive when you respond to ideas that are actually contained in the post you're replying to.

 

Why don't you just skip the foreplay and draw some parallels between my post and national socialism? 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

Discussion is a lot more productive when you respond to ideas that are actually contained in the post you're replying to.

 

Why don't you just skip the foreplay and draw some parallels between my post and national socialism? 

 

 

...have your dog take you for a walk and then try IGNORE.......save yourself the frenzy of reading my stuff....thin air on high horses has adverse reactions........

[Boatdrinks]

19 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

The realism you're discussing is trying to improve the passing game by replacing a known, quantified entity who has proven himself capable of winning games in the NFL with a hope and a wish that a 5th round rookie, making his first start on the road will go out there and play like a veteran.  What part of realism fails to consider the track record of rookie QBs, making their first NFL start, and on the road no less?  What part of realism gambles the season on that situation being better than an NFL vet who has led the team to a winning record this year?

No, it isn't. The realism had everything to do with Taylor, the fact he isn't good enough to score many points in the Bills current offensive scheme and doesn't attempt throws that most NFL QBs routinely make. He is who he is and there was zero chance he would change. This was pointed out many times in games by Tony Romo and Rhonde Barber. The coaches know this as well. I don't believe they thought he would play like a veteran , but maybe better than the veteran they watched throw for 50 some yards the week before . And played putridly the week before while the game was in doubt, outplayed by a journeyman McCown. They didn't like the matchup vs LAC, how Tyrod plays, and wanted to try something to change things up. It was a desperate prayer, and didn't work. It was an easy road venue to try it as far as that goes. Moreso than Arrowhead Stadium. I don't think many people thought the Bills would beat the Chargers with Taylor at QB. The Coaches weren't optimistic. That's probably all us fans need to know. 

[dulles]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

Arm strength was the one red flag in your scouting report! 

Ouch!

 

1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

It reads...

 

"NFL comparable: Nathan Peterman."

Wait, I thought decision making was the red flag for him!

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

No, it isn't. The realism had everything to do with Taylor, the fact he isn't good enough to score many points in the Bills current offensive scheme and doesn't attempt throws that most NFL QBs routinely make. He is who he is and there was zero chance he would change. This was pointed out many times in games by Tony Romo and Rhonde Barber. The coaches know this as well. I don't believe they thought he would play like a veteran , but maybe better than the veteran they watched throw for 50 some yards the week before . And played putridly the week before while the game was in doubt, outplayed by a journeyman McCown. They didn't like the matchup vs LAC, how Tyrod plays, and wanted to try something to change things up. It was a desperate prayer, and didn't work. It was an easy road venue to try it as far as that goes. Moreso than Arrowhead Stadium. I don't think many people thought the Bills would beat the Chargers with Taylor at QB. The Coaches weren't optimistic. That's probably all us fans need to know. 

Desperate prayers and realism don't often go hand in hand, which is and has been my point.  Realism needs to be applied equally to Peterman and Tyrod.

[Chadwick Bay Chad]

McDermott had the team ready to play.  I think he has done an overall good job so far.  For the people that are against him, who do you want.  What retread 

[Boatdrinks]

8 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Desperate prayers and realism don't often go hand in hand, which is and has been my point.  Realism needs to be applied equally to Peterman and Tyrod.

They were realistic about Taylor, and at the same time somewhat unrealistic about NP. Desperate times ....

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...BEFORE the 2017 season Green Flag was dropped, who truthfully and legitimately had Atlanta, Denver, Oakland & KC penciled in as W's?.......I'd bet the majority of scorecards (and understandably so) had L's" penciled in for 3 out of those four (plenty was made about tough schedule).....those cards probably had Fins & Jets sweeps as well......so overall, I don't think McD, with all of the top to bottom organizational newness in an obvious transitional year (rightfully plenty of 5-11 or 6-10 realistic prognostications here) , has fared too bad to be standing at 6-5.....but then again........

[CanadianFan]

worthlessposter pushing his own agenda 

[SaviorPeterman]

While I'd love to be wrong, I think what happened yesterday was merely one bad team outlasting another bad team. Had that been a road game against a team like the Rams, Eagles or Pats we'd be sitting here talking about a fourth straight ugly loss.

 

But hey, it was a win over a team that is currently over .500 and won 5 straight games to start the season. Just think context matters and right now the chiefs are among the worst teams in the league on both sides of the football since they have lost 5 of 6 games (the only win against a hapless Denver team).

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Defense came to play. Got to give McDermott credit for that after the last 3 weeks. I thought they were dead in the water. Great job making much needed adjustments. 

 

My my problem with McDermott is the offense and Dennison. They crawl into a hole on offense when they get a lead.... and that's just how McDermott wants it. He's loves playing things in a mind numbingly conservative fashion... so far it's worked but eventually it will bite them in the ass, IMO. 

 

Hes so worried about a mistake on offense.... he should trust the guy who RARELY turns the ball over to not make a mistake and take some more chances when clinging to a 3 or 6 point lead.... especially when it's early in the third quarter.?

 

 

..maybe I'm just too damn old in year 55 following this club to grasp it......Dickie Jauron did the same thing ....play NOT to lose and turtle, which was equally as infuriating......go for the damn jugular or has political correctness now permeated the NFL?......White doesn't make the pick with KC driving and it's 17-16.......if, IF the Bills make the playoffs, that lack of aggression easily translates into one and done.....why is it this way?.............

[njbuff]

I think a lot of us fans don't like Jauron-ball 2.0.

 

But when you don't have a franchise QB, Jauron 2.0 is all we can expect at this point.

 

And if the Bills make the playoffs doing this, job well done in year one...................... then go out and get your franchise QB.

[Theshallowcross]

3 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

lol of course they had a shot

 

After Peterman was benched the Bills and Chargers both scored 17 in the 2nd half. 

 

I agree with you that if Taylor starts the game the Bills have a chance to win. For anyone to say anything different is ridiculous. 

 

That one game may cost this team a playoff spot. If that happens, that's a fireable offense. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, njbuff said:

I think a lot of us fans don't like Jauron-ball 2.0.

 

But when you don't have a franchise QB, Jauron 2.0 is all we can expect at this point.

 

And if the Bills make the playoffs doing this, job well done in year one...................... then go out and get your franchise QB.

 

....so how many clubs do and what EXACTLY is the definition of a FRANCHISE QB in your view?.....term is loosely tossed around with never a definitive answer.....a/k/a  buzz word...........

[SaviorPeterman]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

I think a lot of us fans don't like Jauron-ball 2.0.

 

But when you don't have a franchise QB, Jauron 2.0 is all we can expect at this point.

 

And if the Bills make the playoffs doing this, job well done in year one...................... then go out and get your franchise QB.

 

This team has many eerie similarities to Jauron's 2008 Bills team.....

 

Both teams started 5-2 and were 5-5 before winning in a game in KC to snap a losing streak.

 

Both teams had a QB that checks down and has misleading numbers that make outsiders believe he's a quality starter.

 

Both teams had classic 'bend but don't break' defenses that would rely on TO's and holding teams to FG's to limit points.

 

Both teams had horrendous offensive coordinators.

 

At least with McD he has a chance to change all this but early returns aren't promising that's for sure.

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....so how many clubs do and what EXACTLY is the definition of a FRANCHISE QB in your view?.....term is loosely tossed around with never a definitive answer.....a/k/a  buzz word...........

 

To me there are 5 legitimate franchise QB types in the upcoming draft. Jackson is one of them that I personally don't like.

 

And there are about 5-10 other QB's in this draft that can develop with the right coaching.

 

Depending on who the Bills like, they might not have to trade any picks to get their QB.

1 minute ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

This team has many eerie similarities to Jauron's 2008 Bills team.....

 

Both teams started 5-2 and were 5-5 before winning in a game in KC to snap a losing streak.

 

Both teams had a QB that checks down and has misleading numbers that make outsiders believe he's a quality starter.

 

Both teams had classic 'bend but don't break' defenses that would rely on TO's and holding teams to FG's to limit points.

 

Both teams had horrendous offensive coordinators.

 

At least with McD he has a chance to change all this but early returns aren't promising that's for sure.

 

I will give McD the benefit of the doubt in year one........... with Jauron 2008 was year 3 and they were supposed to be good, but obviously fell flat on their faces.

 

The Bills go into 2018 with lots of draft picks and lots of cap space.

 

If the 2018 off-season doesn't lay the foundation for a consistent future SB contender in Buffalo, then McBeane will turn into another 3 year project and we all will hate ANOTHER regime change.

 

I am one of the fans that is giving McBeane a pass for on-the-field results in 2017. And they might have hit on a good first draft here.

 

Again, it's all about the 2018 off-season and the results should be judged off that performance.

[SoTier]

38 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

The realism you're discussing is trying to improve the passing game by replacing a known, quantified entity who has proven himself capable of winning games in the NFL with a hope and a wish that a 5th round rookie, making his first start on the road will go out there and play like a veteran.  What part of realism fails to consider the track record of rookie QBs, making their first NFL start, and on the road no less?  What part of realism gambles the season on that situation being better than an NFL vet who has led the team to a winning record this year?

My realism says that starting Peterman in a game that the Bills appeared to have a chance to win when the Bills had a winning record and a hold on a playoff spot only makes sense if the purpose was to distract fans from the defensive collapse and the coaching staff's inability to fix it. 

 

28 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....so then according to the "One & Done Gang" and their Doctrine of Evaluation, a 5th rounder with OTA's, practice, and scant one game mop up duty and who has a disastrous first start, has had MORE than ample time to rightfully earn the BUST label....EXPERT analysis is location, location, location....and he's a BUST according to TBD standards......

 

Sorry, but you own your mistakes, especially when you want the power to make the big decisions, and that applies to first year HCs, too.  McDermott made one in starting Peterman.  Dennison made more than one in the Peterman fiasco, including not seeing that that kid wasn't ready to start as well as drawing up a game plan that would set up just about any first time NFL starter to fail.   If McDermott continues to make serious mistakes down the stretch that call his coaching judgement into question, then yes, maybe he should be replaced.

 

10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

No, it isn't. The realism had everything to do with Taylor, the fact he isn't good enough to score many points in the Bills current offensive scheme and doesn't attempt throws that most NFL QBs routinely make. He is who he is and there was zero chance he would change. This was pointed out many times in games by Tony Romo and Rhonde Barber. The coaches know this as well. I don't believe they thought he would play like a veteran , but maybe better than the veteran they watched throw for 50 some yards the week before . And played putridly the week before while the game was in doubt, outplayed by a journeyman McCown. They didn't like the matchup vs LAC, how Tyrod plays, and wanted to try something to change things up. It was a desperate prayer, and didn't work. It was an easy road venue to try it as far as that goes. Moreso than Arrowhead Stadium. I don't think many people thought the Bills would beat the Chargers with Taylor at QB. The Coaches weren't optimistic. That's probably all us fans need to know. 

 

Cry me a river.   "It's time to try see if this rookie QB drafted on Day Three is the next Tom Brady," said no NFL HC ever with his team having a winning record and a piece of the playoffs, especially when his rookie QB was as unready for a pro start as Peterman appeared to be.  Taylor had 1 bad game ... against the Saints.   Maybe if Dennison designed plays that had some prayer of working against good defenses, Taylor wouldn't have to check down so much.  Dennison is the one who decides which plays the Bills run, y'know.

27 minutes ago, njbuff said:

I think a lot of us fans don't like Jauron-ball 2.0.

 

But when you don't have a franchise QB, Jauron 2.0 is all we can expect at this point.

 

And if the Bills make the playoffs doing this, job well done in year one...................... then go out and get your franchise QB.

 

Minnesota doesn't have a franchise QB either, but they sure don't play Jauron 2.0.