Bing Bong Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 7:28 PM, Kelly the Dog said: Different scenario though. The Rams had a lot of good players on their roster, especially defense. He did bring in three new WR and a top level LT to the offense, which, along with his own real talent, transformed the team overnight. You're right in one respect though: If we hired him instead of McD we may have been able to transform the team quicker and had Wade as DC and McVay running the O. Expand I think we used to have a good roster, especially on defense, before two successive coaching regimes gutted the roster. That's my frustration. I think we agree with each other regarding what we want out of a coach. But I'm not happy with McDermott to date.
TheFunPolice Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 Rex went .500 here over 2 years. That's better than any HC since Wade. Isn't the Tyrod argument also the Rex argument? He picked Tyrod, so anyone who loves Tyrod needs to give him credit for that. He brought over Roman and Lynn to install their schemes. Ironically, Rex finally had a good offense but couldn't get it together on defense. I'm not saying he was great but McDermott has made some colossal blunders as well, and his defense is just as inept. 1
BillsFan2313 Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 7:44 PM, TheFunPolice said: Rex went .500 here over 2 years. That's better than any HC since Wade. Isn't the Tyrod argument also the Rex argument? He picked Tyrod, so anyone who loves Tyrod needs to give him credit for that. He brought over Roman and Lynn to install their schemes. Ironically, Rex finally had a good offense but couldn't get it together on defense. I'm not saying he was great but McDermott has made some colossal blunders as well, and his defense is just as inept. Expand Yep If Rex kept Schwartz as the D coordinator, Bills probably win 12 games in 2015....
TheFunPolice Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) Who is to say Schwartz wanted to stay? Sure they could have forced him but that creates an issue right away. All Rex had to do was find a way to keep Schwartz, run that Roman/Lynn offense, and I agree, the team would have gone to the playoffs twice in a row and he would be seen as a hero and would be in year #3 and actually enjoying that house remodel he did right before he got canned. My point is that there is a lot of "Rex was completely awful" thought but in retrospect the new HC is just Rex without the bravado and without Rex's offense. Edited November 27, 2017 by TheFunPolice
Kelly the Dog Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 7:48 PM, TheFunPolice said: Who is to say Schwartz wanted to stay? Sure they could have forced him but that creates an issue right away. All Rex had to do was find a way to keep Schwartz, run that Roman/Lynn offense, and I agree, the team would have gone to the playoffs twice in a row and he would be seen as a hero and would be in year #3 and actually enjoying that house remodel he did right before he got canned. Expand That could never have happened though. No defensive minded coach like Rex would let another guy run a completely different scheme than he runs.
ctk232 Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 Still would rather have Ragland on the roster. He's more of a run stuffer than people think and better than Humber imo.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 7:54 PM, ctk232 said: Still would rather have Ragland on the roster. He's more of a run stuffer than people think and better than Humber imo. Expand He looked pretty fast to react to plays and attack yesterday several times. That ability he displayed in college on pass plays as well as run plays and can cut .1 - .2 off your 40 time.
MAJBobby Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 That happens when you draft scheme specific players. When that scheme leaves they do as well. Ragland had no place in a 4-3 defense in the NFL
ctk232 Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 8:31 PM, Kelly the Dog said: He looked pretty fast to react to plays and attack yesterday several times. That ability he displayed in college on pass plays as well as run plays and can cut .1 - .2 off your 40 time. Expand Pretty much - there was one play where Humber was very slow getting to the edge to catch up to a sweep and didn't make it. Milano may have been better in that position (and I'm pretty excited about Milano tbh), but I think we really could've done with having Reggie on the roster at least for run stuff packages and early down sets.
aceman_16 Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 7:28 PM, Kelly the Dog said: If we hired him instead of McD we may have been able to transform the team quicker and had Wade as DC and McVay running the O. Expand Ummmm.... no. I would wager that Wade would NEVER come back to Buffalo as a DC. Nice yo think though.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 8:51 PM, aceman_16 said: Ummmm.... no. I would wager that Wade would NEVER come back to Buffalo as a DC. Nice yo think though. Expand His problem was with Ralph. He loved Buffalo. People say he would never do stuff based on nothing but a false premise.
Peter Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) On 11/27/2017 at 5:59 PM, dneveu said: Our worst guy in pass coverage is Preston brown, and this guy was so much worse than brown at coverage that we had him on the scout team. Expand The same coaching staff that thought Peterman was ready to start and a better option than TT were the ones that pushed Reggie Ragland down the depth chart. Reggie sure looked quick to me as he ran through our offensive line twice to tackle one of the best running backs in the league for a loss. On 11/27/2017 at 8:53 PM, Kelly the Dog said: His problem was with Ralph. He loved Buffalo. People say he would never do stuff based on nothing but a false premise. Expand You are correct. This is one area where I have direct information. Wade loves Buffalo. Edited November 27, 2017 by Peter
CanadianFan Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 6:08 PM, nucci said: then we fire the coach and start over Expand Which is what we did last year. What's frustrating is, ok, McDermott has looked like a good coach early on, but as we are finding out, he isn't as creative and flexible in coming up with schemes like Belichick. Even though he cheated, that coach has also been ingenious getting great results with flawed personnel. We need coaches who can do half of what he does. Otherwise we will keep looking up to them and the rest of the NFL. Pegulas have no experience in sports management and we're seeing the results thus far in both franchises they own. They have relied on their interpersonal interviewing skills to determine talent for executive hires. And it isn't working thus far in this business. They could use some consultants. On 11/27/2017 at 10:05 PM, Peter said: The same coaching staff that thought Peterman was ready to start and a better option than TT were the ones he pushed Reggie Ragland down the depth chart. Reggie sure looked quick to me as he ran through our offensive line twice to tackle one of the best running backs in the league for a loss. Expand Ragland needed to be traded to a 3-4 team. I was ok with trading him. Not ok with getting only a 5th rounder. He's looking every bit a 2nd rounder on KC defense. Not quite 1st rounder - he can't cover nobody's grandma on routes.
oldmanfan Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 10:35 PM, CanadianFan said: Which is what we did last year. What's frustrating is, ok, McDermott has looked like a good coach early on, but as we are finding out, he isn't as creative and flexible in coming up with schemes like Belichick. Even though he cheated, that coach has also been ingenious getting great results with flawed personnel. We need coaches who can do half of what he does. Otherwise we will keep looking up to them and the rest of the NFL. Pegulas have no experience in sports management and we're seeing the results thus far in both franchises they own. They have relied on their interpersonal interviewing skills to determine talent for executive hires. And it isn't working thus far in this business. They could use some consultants. Ragland needed to be traded to a 3-4 team. I was ok with trading him. Not ok with getting only a 5th rounder. He's looking every bit a 2nd rounder on KC defense. Not quite 1st rounder - he can't cover nobody's grandma on routes. Expand They did not rely just on personal interviews. The NFL has a committee that makes recommendations as to assistants ready for the head job. And McDermott was in that list. I don't understand why people ignore that. Is our HC as creative as Belicheat? No. Are any other coaches? No. There's a reason he's on the GOAT short list.
frostbitmic Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 Ragland was by far the best LB on the field yesterday ... Too bad he isn't good enough to play for the Bills.
Royale with Cheese Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 8:51 PM, aceman_16 said: Ummmm.... no. I would wager that Wade would NEVER come back to Buffalo as a DC. Nice yo think though. Expand Wade on twitter said a few years ago he would come back to Buffalo.
Protocal69 Posted November 28, 2017 Posted November 28, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 7:28 PM, Boatdrinks said: Tell that to the Pittsburgh Steelers , who have run a 3-4 scheme since forever. That's a better way to run a franchise and a scouting department imo. They know exactly what type of player they are looking for and always seem to have the necessary ammo in the chamber. Constantly switching schemes to accommodate bpa drafting wouldn't work either. Consistency is key. Expand Too bad Pittsburgh runs a 4-3 now
aceman_16 Posted November 28, 2017 Posted November 28, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 10:52 PM, Royale with Cheese said: Wade on twitter said a few years ago he would come back to Buffalo. Expand If that is actually true.... I stand corrected. It was just hard to fathom coming back to a place one was run out of in order to take a lessor position.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 28, 2017 Posted November 28, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 1:51 AM, aceman_16 said: If that is actually true.... I stand corrected. It was just hard to fathom coming back to a place one was run out of in order to take a lessor position. Expand If you were fired by a company for a terrible reason, even though you liked your job and did well in it, and then years later were offered another great job at that same company by a totally different guy and totally different ownership, and no one that you didn't like was still there, would you just automatically turn it down?
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