GoBills808 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, HappyDays said: I googled “starting field position win correlation.” It wasn’t really hard to find. The conversation started with someone saying “200 yards of field position.” I can’t find anything to correlate punt yards with wins, I am guessing it wouldn’t correlate well because you can’t control where you punt from. Opponent average starting field position is obviously what that post was getting at. So it is correct to say that field position yards correlate to wins and passing yards don’t. This would have much been much easier if you just admitted you were wrong But he was talking about punt yards, I'm fairly sure. Go back and read that part and then if he wasn't then I MAY admit my comment was out of context.
YesPlayoffs Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: If the goal of avoiding turnovers leads to indecision and or poor decisions and a lack of situational awareness...then you're wrong. Meh...that's just your opinion. We all know how much that is worth.
GoBills808 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: This is where we pretend Tyrod wasn't averaging 40 yards per game on the ground through those first 21 starts... Just like we're pretending he didn't rush for any TDs in those first 21 games either. 'Tyrod Taylor: at LEAST as effective as Trevor Siemian'
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: This all seems correct to me. The thing that bothers me in it, I think a bit lazy, is that they say the Bills couldn't have won even with Taylor because their defense allowed a record number of first-half points - without pointing out that what, 24 of those first half points came off interceptions and an addition 7 points were the result of a strip-sack fumble. Do I have that right? The Chargers scored 31 points off of turnovers. The Bills scored 24 points. Yeah I think without those 31 points, maybe the Bills had a shot. Edited November 22, 2017 by Hapless Bills Fan 2
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, GoBills808 said: 'Tyrod Taylor: at LEAST as effective as Trevor Siemian' with 1/3 of the turnovers. I wasn't the one who claimed they were total equals because I'm blind to reality. Just pointing out factual inaccuracies is all. 1
YesPlayoffs Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: 'Tyrod Taylor: at LEAST as effective as Trevor Siemian' That was your comparison, not his. You said you'd rather have a turnover a game than 10 less yards. It's an opinion that zero NFL people would support. Have fun with that. Edited November 22, 2017 by NoPlayoffs
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, NoPlayoffs said: Meh...that's just your opinion. We all know how much that is worth. Right. Let me know when he performs in the clutch. With him you know he won't lose a lead. That's about the best thing you can say about him.
GoBills808 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: with 1/3 of the turnovers. I wasn't the one who claimed they were total equals because I'm blind to reality. Just pointing out factual inaccuracies is all. I'm just giving you a hard time. My overall point is you need better. 1 minute ago, NoPlayoffs said: That was your comparison, not his. You said you'd rather have a turnover a game than 10 less yards. It's an opinion that zero NFL people would support. Have fun with that. WTF show me exactly where I said that or kick rocks.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: I'm just giving you a hard time. My overall point is you need better. WTF show me exactly where I said that or kick rocks. I'm actually looking at the numbers now because I don't want to work. We'll see how it looks from a broader perspective if I finish before 5.
YesPlayoffs Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Right. Let me know when he performs in the clutch. With him you know he won't lose a lead. That's about the best thing you can say about him. You could also say that he gives us the best chance to win games. Now I know you're in favor of tanking for a top 8 pick to get a Super Bowl caliber quarterback (a strategy that's only worked once in the last 20 years - Peyton). But I'd rather see a team out there trying to win rather than cross my fingers and hope for something that happens once in a generation. 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: WTF show me exactly where I said that or kick rocks. My apologies. I mixed you up with the other guy. I'll go outside and practice punting stones right now. Edited November 22, 2017 by NoPlayoffs 2
JM2009 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 7 hours ago, joesixpack said: Playing to win THIS season is, was, and always will be the WRONG move. But again, this is unsurprising. Coaching to keep the rabble happy. You play your best players to win. Always. 18 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Right. Let me know when he performs in the clutch. With him you know he won't lose a lead. That's about the best thing you can say about him. Like last years second Miami game. Tampa this season.He's the best we have had and will have till at least the next draft.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 26 minutes ago, 1billsfan said: First 21 game starts… Seimian: 11-10 QB record 60% comp 27 TDs / 20 INT 230 yards per game Taylor: 12-9 QB record 62% comp 25 TDs / 8 INT 190 yards per game Now, is throwing 12 more interceptions that big of a deal, when it was Taylor’s total lack of challenging defenses DNA that got him benched? Not for me. Taylor has a lot of support through out the league, but I think a lot of that comes from the familiarity and goodwill of being a seven year veteran and being a genuinely good guy and pro. But these stats say they are the same player, just different styles. Okay, we'll narrow it down to their first 21 starts each. Tyrod: 62.6% CMP, 206.3 YPG, 7.57 YPA, 29 TD, 8 INT, 5.07% TD%, 1.40% INT%, 96.9 Passer Rating, 6.81 ANY/A Siemian: 60.2% CMP, 241.4 YPG, 6.92 YPA, 27 TD, 20 INT, 3.68% TD%, 2.73% INT%, 81.9 Passer Rating, 5.53 ANY/A When you factor in Rushing & Sacks Tyrod goes up to 232.3 YPG and 35 TDs (1.67/G) and Siemian goes down to 231.9 YPG and 28 TDs (1.33/G). Literally the only stat Siemian has an advantage in is passing yards per game, and that is completely negated by sacks & rushing... 1
JM2009 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 24 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: 'Tyrod Taylor: at LEAST as effective as Trevor Siemian' He outplayed Siemian in that Denver game. People that support TT realize that better is needed, but he isn't terrible, and he is the best we have.The agenda crowd give him credit for nothing and blame all the bad on him.
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 Now teams can focus put Tyrod in a pocket... No matter the QB is this offense staff and O-Line are horrible.
JM2009 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Now teams can focus put Tyrod in a pocket... No matter the QB is this offense staff and O-Line are horrible. Then commonsense tells you to let him play more like the last two seasons. Roll outs, shotgun and such.
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JM2009 said: Then commonsense tells you to let him play more like the last two seasons. Roll outs, shotgun and such. Yes thats on OC witch been calling for.. But still thing is with Mills and Vlad starting letting guys go thru them a second (at times unblocked). No matter the design no QB will be alright. This O-Line is horrible I think no matter play calls. Getting beat fast and good. Edited November 22, 2017 by Buffalo Bills Fan
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JM2009 said: Then commonsense tells you to let him play more like the last two seasons. Roll outs, shotgun and such. And when they contain the rollouts? Then what? I'll tell you what. Sacks. Throwaways. Checkdowns. Punts. 75 yards of passing. Edited November 22, 2017 by joesixpack
JM2009 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 Thad Brown @thadbrown7 FollowingFollowing @thadbrown7 More Only two things could persuade McDermott to put Tyrod back in: An admission that he grossly overrated Peterman's readiness to start The locker room would revolt if he stayed with Peterman Or some combo of both
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, JM2009 said: Thad Brown @thadbrown7 FollowingFollowing @thadbrown7 More Only two things could persuade McDermott to put Tyrod back in: An admission that he grossly overrated Peterman's readiness to start The locker room would revolt if he stayed with Peterman Or some combo of both doesn't matter. we're losing this week and next. and at that point "the best we have" will be exposed as "not nearly good enough." 1
JM2009 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: And when they contain the rollouts? Then what? I'll tell you what. Sacks. Throwaways. Checkdowns. Punts. 75 yards of passing. Let's start Peterman again with a bad O line and maybe this time he can throw 10 interceptions, and ruin his career and confidence for good. But your agenda would be fulfilled. 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: doesn't matter. we're losing this week and next. and at that point "the best we have" will be exposed as "not nearly good enough." Yep the defense isn't a problem at all. And I think TT can beat Miami and the Colts at home. By the way, KC and NE are better teams then the Bills. Hard for you to believe, I know.
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