Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, joesixpack said: How many were first rounders? And how many teams are looking at qbs this year? nah, he's probably one of those tight-asses from cherry hill. Do yous know each other?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Working from the top of my head, so forgive any inaccuracies. Big Ben, Manning, Flacco, and Rodgers were 1st rounders Brees was a 2nd Rounder Wilson was a 3rd Rounder and Brady is a how about part two? 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Do yous know each other? nah
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, joesixpack said: how about part two? I suspect roughly 15 teams are in the market for a QB to take over within the next 2 years.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 55 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Well technically you'd be evaluating Nathan Peterman. What aspect of Nathan Peterman, and for what purpose?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: I suspect roughly 15 teams are in the market for a QB to take over within the next 2 years. Right. So it would make sense to try and get as high into this draft as possible, yes?
Jerome007 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 3 hours ago, jkirchofer said: Makes me lose confidence in McDermott moving forward. I want a head coach that will stick with a decision. This season is already done with, spend the time evaluating instead of allowing Taylor to audition for other teams. I don't get this POV. Since he's been here, Tyrod has been much better than all other QBs. And with EJ, Cardale, Peterman and most likely Webb, he's been better by a ton! They HAVE to keep him next year unless they sign a Luck or Cousins. Even if you supposedly draft Mr Savior competition is good. His pay next year takes a drastic upward jump, but it is still in line with what middle-of-the-pack QBs make in the NFL. Whoever is there they'll have to pay him! Not keeping him = tanking in 2018. Is that really what you guys want? Yeah yeah Tyrod is not a top tier QB, but he's by far the best on the roster! I don't get this obsession of getting rid of him when the others aren't even close to him.
GoBills808 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What aspect of Nathan Peterman, and for what purpose? The aspect of his play at quarterback, because he's a quarterback on the Bills football team.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Right. So it would make sense to try and get as high into this draft as possible, yes? Depends on how you evaluate the prospects and how much you're willing to give up to move up if necessary.
YesPlayoffs Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, joesixpack said: How many were first rounders? Irrelevant. We have a first round pick no matter what and I expect us to use it on a QB wherever it may fall. However, you are advocating tanking for a top 8 pick. That implies that you think picks 1 to 8 are where the hardware winning guys get taken. I was simply stating that Super Bowl winning quarterbacks mostly come from outside of that range.
ricojes Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, keepthefaith said: I'm sure I'm in the vast minority here but I think coach McD is making good decisions. Good decision to start Peterman after some very shaky play from Tyrod. Good decision to get Peterman out of there after first half last week. Good decision to put Tyrod back at the helm.....for now. The Bills weren't winning that game last week with either QB. They were outplayed by a better team of players. The coaching staff more than ever now has Tyrod's attention after benching him and Peterman knows he's really got to go back to work. That and the offensive line and defense have a lot to prove after some awful performances. The entire team has a ton of motivation to play better this week. I feel the same way. I don't think they put Peterman in thinking he was a better QB, I think they believed he could run the offense better. When TT came into the game, he actually threw the ball down field! It was a very expensive lesson, but I hope he learned. I would imagine TT will be on a short leash as well, if he doesn't start trusting his throws, he gets pulled. I understand all the debate as to whether TT is being limited by the coaching staff as well. I do not believe that, I believe they are trying to make him an all around QB. Yes, they can tailor an offense that fits his running skills, but that becomes easy to defend. The Peterman throw over the middle to KB is impossible to stop, TT needs to trust that throw and have the defense respect the pass. If he doesn't become multidimensional get ready for more 3 and outs.... Edited November 22, 2017 by ricojes
YoloinOhio Posted November 22, 2017 Author Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Last Sunday and Monday, Tyrod was the starter. Then on Tuesday he wasn’t. On Wednesday McD blabbed about winning now and in the future like he always does. Now he flip flopped back to Tyrod. Why even make the change in the first place? This guy is clueless. The change was made due to TT’s performance and 2.5 years of film on him playing qb in the nfl. They thought NP was ready and wanted to see if the offense would improve. He wasn’t ready. They were wrong in thinking he was. They switched back. It doesn’t mean they think think any more of TT than they did before last week’s game. It means they wanted to see if they had a better alternative. They don’t at this time. 1 1
GoBills808 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: The change was made due to TT’s performance and 2.5 years of film on him playing qb in the nfl. They thought NP was ready and wanted to see if the offense would improve. He wasn’t ready. They were wrong in thinking he was. They switched back. It doesn’t mean they think think any more of TT than they did before last week’s game. It means they wanted to see if they had a better alternative. They don’t at this time. For some reason this is really, really hard for people to understand.
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 I hope Tyrod throws the ball upfield and attacks like he did last game and maybe we get a surprise win? Either way we win with draft position as we have Chief's pick If we win, they get a higher selection. If we lose , we get a higher selection so I am trying to stay positive even if we lose here. Go Tyrod!
Doc Brown Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 4 hours ago, PIZ said: Tryrod needs to understand WHY he was benched, AND correct his game. I hope he gets it. It's never been a lack of effort or preparation by Tyrod. He's been trying to make himself a better quarterback since he got in this league. It's just that his ceiling makes him an average NFL starter.
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Like A Mofo said: I wonder if Richard Sherman will tweet if Tyrod is 14-28 for 98 yards and 1 INT No he won't, he is a coward.
YesPlayoffs Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, ricojes said: When TT came into the game, he actually threw the ball down field! It was a very expensive lesson, but I hope he learned. I would imagine TT will be on a short leash as well, if he doesn't start trusting his throws, he gets pulled. Last game, TT played exactly the same way he has been doing all season. There was no difference. It just that now, people who can't admit they were horrendously wrong about Peterman are trying to move to a narrative that somehow the benching "fixed" Tyrod. That's just a way for people to try and salvage a silver lining from their dumb opinions. Just admit you were wrong.
jkirchofer Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: I don't get this POV. Since he's been here, Tyrod has been much better than all other QBs. And with EJ, Cardale, Peterman and most likely Webb, he's been better by a ton! They HAVE to keep him next year unless they sign a Luck or Cousins. Even if you supposedly draft Mr Savior competition is good. His pay next year takes a drastic upward jump, but it is still in line with what middle-of-the-pack QBs make in the NFL. Whoever is there they'll have to pay him! Not keeping him = tanking in 2018. Is that really what you guys want? Yeah yeah Tyrod is not a top tier QB, but he's by far the best on the roster! I don't get this obsession of getting rid of him when the others aren't even close to him. Sure, Taylor has been good to a certain degree....everyone likes to flaunt the 11 touchdowns to 3 interceptions ratio, but Taylor is in the bottom third in just about every major statistical area among qualified quarterbacks. To say he is better than anyone coming out in the draft (Jackson, Rosen, Darnold, Allen, etc...) or someone available via free agency (Keenum, Cousins, Bradford, etc...) is a gross overstatement. The only advantage is that he can run, which is certainly a positive, but not enough to keep him under center for the Bills.
K-9 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The change was made due to TT’s performance and 2.5 years of film on him playing qb in the nfl. They thought NP was ready and wanted to see if the offense would improve. He wasn’t ready. They were wrong in thinking he was. They switched back. It doesn’t mean they think think any more of TT than they did before last week’s game. It means they wanted to see if they had a better alternative. They don’t at this time. It's so much easier to understand when you break it down scientifically.
Jerome007 Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, jkirchofer said: Sure, Taylor has been good to a certain degree....everyone likes to flaunt the 11 touchdowns to 3 interceptions ratio, but Taylor is in the bottom third in just about every major statistical area among qualified quarterbacks. To say he is better than anyone coming out in the draft (Jackson, Rosen, Darnold, Allen, etc...) or someone available via free agency (Keenum, Cousins, Bradford, etc...) is a gross overstatement. The only advantage is that he can run, which is certainly a positive, but not enough to keep him under center for the Bills. I mentioned that if they did sign a Cousins / Luck /Alex Smith then yeah, they can cut him. Otherwise you have 2 rookies as your #1 & 2, your future draft pick and Peterman. Really? Remember the "Tyrod is a bridge QB"? That is still the case... and as of now that bridge leads to nowhere so better stay on it!
Peter Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said: I think he had too. He almost certainly would have lost the team. I think what took him so long was KC had to wait to prepare fully 4 hours ago, Commonsense said: Safe to say McDermott checked down on the QB decision and played it safe. As expected. McCoach must realize that his situation with his players is beyond precarious. I had a feeling after Monday's PC and his segment with Schopp and Bulldog that he was going to be intransigent about his original decision and go with Peterman - especially after his comments about not committing to meet with the leadership counsel. I think that McCoach probably already lost the team. He better hope for a couple of wins, but I have a feeling that the bills are going to lose the next two games . . . and it is just a question of how badly they lose. I suspect the Pats game is not going to be pretty at all.
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