Lets just go for Kirk Cousins in the offseason

[Big Turk]

44 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

 

Tyrod could not hold Cousins junk. From all the posts you wrote you obviously know jack squat about the Washington Redskins, bolded is 100% lame. Go see how Garcon and Jackson are doing without Cousins.

 

Cousins has no D, WR's, RB or O-line. For someone that sucks so bad, how does he have 24 games over 300 yards passing, 3 of which are over 400 yards? When Cousins was able to play with real WR's -> 2 of them went over 1000 yards and another real close with 850 yards.  All that he still had a weak running game and weak O-line play and made the playoffs.

 

Tyrod would look like one of the worst QB's in the league without a running game. When is the last time 3 Bills Wr's had 3000 yards combined in one season?  GOOD luck with that.

 

 

 

 

I never said he sucks. I said he doesnt win. Reading comprehension is fundamental. He pits up numbers. Lots of them.  All too often they are worthless. What he do when the Redskins need a play from him? Too often nothing.  

 

I'm not paying a franchise guy to come up small when the stakes are the biggest. That's sheer stupidity.

16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

But that's not how it works. Wins are a TEAM stat, not a QB stat. Upgrading the QB spot improves the team, which will in all likelihood improve the W/L. 

 

Sure...here we go with this nonsense. Go look up net point differential between the 2 teams over the past 3 seasons. Its nearly identical and slightly in favor of the Redskins. These are arguments from people who look at boxscoress and numbers and have no clue about the game inside the game.

 

If Cousins is so great, he should have a much better record than Taylor does because the teams are similar. Thats the entire point...a guy you are paying $25+ million to should be carrying the team not need everyone to carry him. And he doesnt have the Patriots to play twice a year.  He doesn't. Its worse. Because he just isnt that guy who is going to win you a lot of games. The same way Philip Rivers isnt that guy.

 

There is no possible way you can talk about how great Cousins is yet then talk about how his won loss record means nothing. That doesn't even make sense. QBs make up for so many deficiencies in the NFL that if he is that good he should be having a much bettee record than they do. Its not like they have the worst defense in NFL history like New Orleans did a few years ago...

 

You dont pay franchise money to people who arent franchise players. Its that simple.  I'd take Tyrod over Cousins. We'd win more games trust me.

 

The argument makes ZERO sense. Oh he needs all these pieces around him. Well how are you going to out all these pieces around him when he is taking up that much of your cap???

 

It doesnt work like that...if you pay a guy that kind of money he HAS to be able to make up for you not being able to put as good of talent around him as you could otherwise if you weren't paying him that much. Peyton Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Roethlesberger, Wilson...those are guys you pay huge money to because they are going to win anyways...you dont pay huge money to a guy who you then have to put the same number of pieces around as a guy that you could pay $10-12 million to...it MAKES NO SENSE

 

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by matter2003

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

Anyone trading a number one pick for Alex Smith should be fired before they can do it.

 

This is ludicrous

 He is going to get cut. Why would you offer them anything? Just wait for him to be cut.

 

IF he gets cut, then you'll have to out bid everyone else for him.  Could be more than Cousins even.  He will be heavily sought after I suspect.I'd  also make sure we don't get out horse traded this time either.   A lot of teams need QBs, not just us.  That's why I'd do it, but I can't get fired because I don't have the job 

Edited December 14, 2017 by reddogblitz

[GoBills808]

25 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

I never said he sucks. I said he doesnt win. Reading comprehension is fundamental. He pits up numbers. Lots of them.  All too often they are worthless. What he do when the Redskins need a play from him? Too often nothing.  

 

I'm not paying a franchise guy to come up small when the stakes are the biggest. That's sheer stupidity.

 

Sure...here we go with this nonsense. Go look up net point differential between the 2 teams over the past 3 seasons. Its nearly identical and slightly in favor of the Redskins. These are arguments from people who look at boxscoress and numbers and have no clue about the game inside the game.

 

If Cousins is so great, he should have a much better record than Taylor does because the teams are similar. Thats the entire point...a guy you are paying $25+ million to should be carrying the team not need everyone to carry him. And he doesnt have the Patriots to play twice a year.  He doesn't. Its worse. Because he just isnt that guy who is going to win you a lot of games. The same way Philip Rivers isnt that guy.

 

There is no possible way you can talk about how great Cousins is yet then talk about how his won loss record means nothing. That doesn't even make sense. QBs make up for so many deficiencies in the NFL that if he is that good he should be having a much bettee record than they do. Its not like they have the worst defense in NFL history like New Orleans did a few years ago...

 

You dont pay franchise money to people who arent franchise players. Its that simple.  I'd take Tyrod over Cousins. We'd win more games trust me.

 

The argument makes ZERO sense. Oh he needs all these pieces around him. Well how are you going to out all these pieces around him when he is taking up that much of your cap???

 

It doesnt work like that...if you pay a guy that kind of money he HAS to be able to make up for you not being able to put as good of talent around him as you could otherwise if you weren't paying him that much. Peyton Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Roethlesberger, Wilson...those are guys you pay huge money to because they are going to win anyways...you dont pay huge money to a guy who you then have to put the same number of pieces around as a guy that you could pay $10-12 million to...it MAKES NO SENSE

 

 

Redskins are the 24th ranked defense by yards this year. Dead last in points allowed. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Real McClappy]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Redskins are the 24th ranked defense by yards this year. Dead last in points allowed. You don't know what you're talking about.

He really doesn't at all.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Real McCoy said:

He really doesn't at all.

Cousins is putting up franchise numbers this season throwing to Ryan Grant and Jamison Crowder...and for the record: over the last 3 years Washington's defense has been incontrovertibly worse than ours.

 

It's such a bad argument he's making.

[Real McClappy]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Cousins is putting up franchise numbers this season throwing to Ryan Grant and Jamison Crowder...and for the record: over the last 3 years Washington's defense has been incontrovertibly worse than ours.

 

It's such a bad argument he's making.

The D has been flat out bad. RB's are not stellar (I do like Thompson though) and O-line is ranked as one of the worst in the league. 

 

There are so many Bills fans that can't identify what a real QB looks like anymore in the league. 

 

To all their own.

Edited December 14, 2017 by Real McCoy

[GoBills808]

I had Thompson in fantasy before he broke his leg. He's a great utility player but nowhere near, say, McCoy as a running back. 

[YoloinOhio]

Looks like Denver will be after him too (SIAP)

 

[CommonCents]

Read through most of this but not all of it. 

 

I'd be hesitant to pay Cousins if I was working at OBD. I wouldn't like the numbers, the resume, or the way his signing would align with my draft pile. 

 

Sign Cousins this offseason, draft a ton of young guys and then wait for their impact? Bleh. It could work but it's certainly a desperation move. 

 

Use the picks wisely, continue to eliminate bad contracts, don't jump into another one to try and salvage the 18' season.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Redskins are the 24th ranked defense by yards this year. Dead last in points allowed. You don't know what you're talking about.

I'm talking over a 3 year period...you obviously have trouble with reading as well.

But regardless of that. Look at net point differential not one side of the ball or the other.

 

Redskins are a -4.6

Bills are a -3.8

 

Close enough for comparison's sake a net difference of 10 points.  Let's not act like the Bills have positive differential even though they have a winning record.  

Most Redskins fans will tell they don't have a problem with getting a new QB in there...

 

 

Last year they were 19th in scoring defense, Bills were 16th.  We we 0.3 points per game better than them, amounting to 5 whole points over the course of a season fewer allowed.

 

He went 8-7-1  Tyrod went 7-8. This year Tyrod is 7-5, Cousins is 5-8.    I'm not paying someone that type of money to produce a worse record over the course of 2 seasons, sorry.  Franchise QBs who want franchise dollars need ro produce franchise results.

 

You keep grasping at straws, but at the end of the day whoever gets Cousins will end up between 7-9 and 9-7 most years.  Just like Rivers has been. You can try and justify it, point out all the reasons, and whatever else you want to do.

 

Franshise QBs are expected to carry teams, not be carried.

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by matter2003

[baskingridgebillsfan]

On ‎11‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 8:54 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

Nope. If the last 3 games have taught us anything, it's this:  this team is nowhere near being able to compete. That tells me that it's time to go with a rookie QB

wait if they sign Cousins and use the 5 premium picks to fix the defense you don't think they can compete?

they have the money.  If he is available I think you go get him 5 years 135 is the likely price.  Solid top ten qb.  Once you get him it doesn't mean you stop drafting them . It just means you will have solid qb play .  

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Cousins is putting up franchise numbers this season throwing to Ryan Grant and Jamison Crowder...and for the record: over the last 3 years Washington's defense has been incontrovertibly worse than ours.

 

It's such a bad argument he's making.

Right...it a whole 0.3 points worse than ours last year in points allowed per game(5 points over he season) and 1.3 points worse than us per game the year before( 21 points over the course of a season).

 

And since you want to claim defense is the big issue why he can't get to the playoffs or produce anything better than a 9-7 record,

 

Miami had an almost identical defense to the Redskins last year(0.1 PPG better).  Made the playoffs.  With New England in our division.

Oakland had a worse defense than the Redskins last year.  Made the playoffs and won the division.

Green Bay had a worse defense than Redskins last year.  Made the playoffs.

Atlanta had a worse defense than the Redskins last year.  Went to the super bowl.

 

Your arguments fall flat on their face in numerous ways, and yet you still want to try and justify some dude who produces mediocre at best records year after year, while other players have worse defenses than him and make the playoffs.  

 

You don't pay Franchise money to people who aren't franchise players. Period.  I can't make it simpler than that.  If he was THAT good, the Redskins would have signed him to a long term extension long ago.  They don't think he is a franchise player, a lot of scouts don't think he is a franchise player, and a lot of their own fans who've seen him play a LOT more than you or me don't think he is a franshise player.  And you you keep harping that he is worth a franchise contract.  He isn't.  No other way to put it.

Edited December 14, 2017 by matter2003

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Looks like Denver will be after him too (SIAP)

 

But i thought i read here from alot of people Taylor was going there and going to excel and that was a forgone conclusion

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Right...it a whole 0.3 points worse than ours last year in points allowed per game(5 points over he season) and 1.3 points worse than us per game the year before( 21 points over the course of a season).

 

And since you want to claim defense is the big issue why he can't get to the playoffs or produce anything better than a 9-7 record,

 

Miami had an almost identical defense to the Redskins last year(0.1 PPG better).  Made the playoffs.  With New England in our division.

Oakland had a worse defense than the Redskins last year.  Made the playoffs and won the division.

Green Bay had a worse defense than Redskins last year.  Made the playoffs.

Atlanta had a worse defense than the Redskins last year.  Went to the super bowl.

 

Your arguments fall flat on their face in numerous ways, and yet you still want to try and justify some dude who produces mediocre at best records year after year, while other players have worse defenses than him and make the playoffs.  

 

You don't pay Franchise money to people who aren't franchise players. Period.  I can't make it simpler than that.  If he was THAT good, the Redskins would have signed him to a long term extension long ago.  They don't think he is a franchise player, a lot of scouts don't think he is a franchise player, and a lot of their own fans who've seen him play a LOT more than you or me don't think he is a franshise player.  And you you keep harping that he is worth a franchise contract.  He isn't.  No other way to put it.

QBs don’t ‘produce’ records. Teams do. 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

QBs don’t ‘produce’ records. Teams do. 

 

Right, so you want to have it both ways.  Tell that to Indianapolis after they made the playoffs with Manning and went 1-15 the next year when he was out.  If you put a backup in for Cousins you likely wouldn't have a worse record.  You just don't understand that you don't pay top dollar for people who don't produce anything better than mediocre results.  You see boxscores and stats but don't understand fundamental concepts.  That's the problem.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by matter2003

[GoBills808]

Just now, matter2003 said:

 

Right, so you want to have it both ways.  Tell that to Indianapolis after they made the playoffs with Manning and went 1-15 the next year when he was out.  

Using a teams record to judge its quarterback is simply not the way to do it. That’s all I’ll say.

[Big Turk]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Using a teams record to judge its quarterback is simply not the way to do it. That’s all I’ll say.

You can say that, but when you can replace a "franchise QB" with his backup and get the same record it doesn't say much for that QB.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

if quarterbacks produced records then Dan Mario would have been 14-2 every year 

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

if quarterbacks produced records then Dan Mario would have been 14-2 every year 

Dan Marino went to a super bowl and made the playoffs almost every year(and lost to the Bills). Don't even mention him in the same sentence as Cousins.

Edited December 14, 2017 by matter2003

[baskingridgebillsfan]

1 minute ago, matter2003 said:

Dan Marino went to a super bowl and made the playoffs almost every year(and lost to the Bills). Don't even mention him in the same sentence as Cousins.

I am not comparing them. The point is you can be a good qb on a bad team.  Stafford, Rivers, luck all have played on sub 500 teams