Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Just now, dave mcbride said: Tell that to the 2011 Giants. the giants don't play in a division that includes New England, and in a conference that has two divisions where two teams are all but guaranteed to make it. but ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 We need to ride out this rebuild for more than 2 years people .. We can't keep switching horses every 2 years no matter how painful... We'll never dig out from this if we keep demanding a new GM and New HC. We're gonna have to grin and bare it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, joesixpack said: the giants don't play in a division that includes New England, and in a conference that has two divisions where two teams are all but guaranteed to make it. but ok. NE is in the Steelers' division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 They went 5-2 based on some very opportunistic plays (several calls that went their way vs. ATL, turnovers vs. DEN & OAK, etc) and now that teams have figured out how to exploit the weak spots in the defense it's been a sh*tshow. They didn't necessarily ship off players because they "didn't fit." For all intents and purposes, Marcell was well-liked in the locker room. People knew his issues but I really don't believe he was a guy that was defiant toward coaches or flippant about what McD's philosophy was all about it. It came down to the everyday details for Marcell, being on time, being engaged in meetings, practicing hard, etc. Sammy wasn't going to return here and he was a guy that was emerging as a leader but the FO knew they wouldn't be able to afford him. Darby is a bit of a head-scratcher but whatever, he's not an irreplaceable player. Everyone expected them to start out 2-5 or worse, instead it went the other way and surprised all of us but the magic has worn off, it's clear that a third of the team are aging vets who just might not have it anymore, another third are a bunch of fringe players filling a spot until they find someone better and the rest are rookies and second-year players still figuring things out. So I can understand some of the shortcomings we're seeing because they've intentionally stripped this team down to have plenty of cap space and draft picks. It was never supposed to be about winning in 2017 but they flipped the script and found themselves in a playoff position until three weeks ago. The switch to Peterman was not a smart move. The only thing it may have changed was maybe now Tyrod will take more chances down the field. Beyond that, there's gotta be some concern with player/coach relationships right now. What they're doing isn't working and the body language of the players is starting to show. It's showing that the players aren't feeling like they're being put in the best positions to succeed. The middle of the field against the defense has been wide open all year long. How can they not have fixed that? The OL consistently misses blocks and allows a horde of defenders to break free at least five or six plays a game. How has that not been fixed? It has to be partially on coaching because that OL played rather well during '15 and '16. Is Glenn's absence that big of a difference maker? They don't do the zone stuff very well. Dennison has tried to mix in elements of the offense from the last two seasons but over the last few games it seems like he's scrapped that in favor of things 100% from his playbook. Frazier can't get pressure with a straight 4-man rush and every time he dials up blitzes or extra pressure they get burned over the middle. Are they being taught the right things? Is the scheme failing the players or are the players failing in these schemes? One thing is for sure, McD has to can it with the "it's about winning now and for the future" business because it's straight up crap. Pulling your established vet QB (who, yes, has hit a ceiling) who is the best QB on the roster in favor of a rookie in the middle of the season is not a "win now" move. I could understand if the team was 2-8 or something then yeah, play all your young guys and whatever. But they were still in the mix and he decides that's gonna be the solution. Hopefully he's learned from it. Or maybe the plan all along was to lose out and get them higher picks. BTW, this draft class is currently being compared to the 2013 class, and it may even be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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