Here you can admit that yes, it CAN get worse than Taylor

[Rad Likes The Bills]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He has a winning record this year and in his Bills career. They are actually winning with him. I think what yesterday showed is that they haven’t been winning “despite” him as some on here have claimed. They’ve won “because” of him in a lot of cases. 

He has masked a lot of deficiencies of the offense. Ever since he was named the starter in 2015 I feel as though the Bills have treated Tyrod like a girl with cooties, trying to find every way to make him not the guy. Wellllllll as you have seen with the last two times he has not started, we are a really bad football team. Tyrod makes us a mediocre football team. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

I disagree with this completely. They were winning earlier this year because the defense was playing out of its mind.  

 

the defense has come crashing back down to earth, and you are losing.

 

You win with Taylor if everything else is perfect, we need better than that. 

 

Yesterday showed nothing, Yesterday was an all time bad performance by a QB who was not ready for the big stage and the coach needs to answer for that.

When you dominate the turnover margin the QB plays a MASSIVE role in that. If they were getting hose picks and then had Peterman throwing it right back to the opponent they wouldn’t have been 5-2. This team lacks weapons and Tyrod had to make plays to go with a good defense. He did. They didn’t win despite him.

1 minute ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

He has masked a lot of deficiencies of the offense. Ever since he was named the starter in 2015 I feel as though the Bills have treated Tyrod like a girl with cooties, trying to find every way to make him not the guy. Wellllllll as you have seen with the last two times he has not started, we are a really bad football team. Tyrod makes us a mediocre football team. 

Perfectly said 

[Teddy KGB]

4 minutes ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

He has masked a lot of deficiencies of the offense. Ever since he was named the starter in 2015 I feel as though the Bills have treated Tyrod like a girl with cooties, trying to find every way to make him not the guy. Wellllllll as you have seen with the last two times he has not started, we are a really bad football team. Tyrod makes us a mediocre football team. 

 

 

He forgot to mask them in all the games they didn't force turnovers ?    Please stop elevating Tyrod's crap play because Peterman crapped out as well 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Air it out Fitzy said:

 

 

He forgot to mask them in all the games they didn't force turnovers ?    Please stop elevating Tyrod's crap play because Peterman crapped out as well 

 

 

They have lost all 4 games that he hasn’t started over the last 4 years. 3 of the 4 losses came against losing teams. He’s won more than half of his starts. You can keep showing up with a new name but you still have the same bs takes.

[Teddy KGB]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They have lost all 4 games that he hasn’t started over the last 4 years. 3 of the 4 losses came against losing teams. He’s won more than half of his starts. You can keep showing up with a new name but you still have the same bs takes.

 

 

Okay I'll pretend Taylors good too now because of Peterman ??‍♂️

 

Neither one is worth keeping around.    And you know this man.  

 

 

Tyrods embarrassing play vs Panthers/Saints = Petermans embarrassing play vs Chargers 

Edited November 20, 2017 by Air it out Fitzy

[unclepete]

Taylor's the best QB we've had in a long time. 

 

He stretched the field quite a bit when we had Sammy

 

He looked good for the short time that Robert Woods, Sammy and Percy Harvin were healthy and starting.

 

He's Alex Smith, the perfect starter while we look for our QB of the future. But of course we want to get the best QB we've had in the last 20 years off the field to play a 5th rounder from Pitt who couldn't win the starting job at Tennessee.

[Billzgobowlin]

12 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

TT is a QB who isn't going to win games by himself, but won't lose games by himself. In other words, a pretty average QB.

 

Peterman gave them no chance with those turnovers.

 

In saying that, the defence was awful once again and it wouldn't have mattered who started the game.

 

Would have been closer if TT played but that's about it

TT was a 3 and out QB the last two weeks and when defensive players keep saying they just make him be a QB and he chooses not to use his legs at all, he hurts this team.  Peterman while he doesn't look like the answer was not helped by the right side of the line or his FB.  Peterman should have taken a few sacks but I think we see why the Bills don't throw down the field enough.

[Avisan]

15 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

 

Taylor is not a top 10-12 QB in this league all of the sudden because Peterman was bad.

 

 

Of course not.  He's been a top 10-12 QB in this league the whole time.  He has a crap O-line and a questionable cast of receiving targets in a terrible scheme.  Many QBs look like a dumpster fire in those circumstances.  Tyrod has looked AVERAGE despite dealing with those circumstances.

 

There are things he doesn't do very well, which is why he'll never be a top 5 or top 8 guy.  But he's plenty good enough to win with.

[bobobonators]

12 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Most interceptions in a half since 1991.

 

That was sickening.

 

And shocking.

 

I legitimately thought Peterman would come in and play well.

 

Right now he looks like Jeff Tuel 2.0... worse actually.

 

 

Too many posters here saying our passing game couldn't get any worse.

 

Come eat some crow.

 

 

At least he was awful enough that we can quickly go back to Taylor and try for a playoff run in our super weak conference

 

It can get worse than a QB that made the pro bowl 2 consecutive years? Of course it can; much worse. 

 

It started with the hiring of Dennison. Things got worse. It continued with the dismantling of the Oline. Things got even worse. 

 

The entire offensive system is a joke. 

[Billzgobowlin]

1 minute ago, unclepete said:

Taylor's the best QB we've had in a long time. 

 

He stretched the field quite a bit when we had Sammy

 

He looked good for the short time that Robert Woods, Sammy and Percy Harvin were healthy and starting.

 

He's Alex Smith, the perfect starter while we look for our QB of the future. But of course we want to get the best QB we've had in the last 20 years off the field to play a 5th rounder from Pitt who couldn't win the starting job at Tennessee.

We can't forget how bad he looked the past two games, can we?   I would also consider Bledsoe, Flutie and even Orton higher than Tyrod.

[Teddy KGB]

7 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Of course not.  He's been a top 10-12 QB in this league the whole time.  He has a crap O-line and a questionable cast of receiving targets in a terrible scheme.  Many QBs look like a dumpster fire in those circumstances.  Tyrod has looked AVERAGE despite dealing with those circumstances.

 

There are things he doesn't do very well, which is why he'll never be a top 5 or top 8 guy.  But he's plenty good enough to win with.

 

Fake news.    You can google the #'s and get back with a realistic number perhaps ?

Edited November 20, 2017 by Air it out Fitzy

[unclepete]

Just now, Billzgobowlin said:

We can't forget how bad he looked the past two games, can we?   I would also consider Bledsoe, Flutie and even Orton higher than Tyrod.

I disagree. Bledsoe for one year, maybe. But he also lossed a lot of games because he consistently turned the ball over. Flutie and Orton were on better teams. He didn't play well that last 2 games but we know this offense isn't built to score quickly. It's built for long sustained drives and quick decisions by the QB. Tyrod is the type of QB that holds on to the ball and has to see a receiver open. Not necessarily his strength. So if the Bills get down early with these receivers and these play calls it's a death sentence. Good coaches adjust their offense and defense to the strengths of their players. We put Tyrod in a position to fail and ask him to play to his weaknesses. Then blame him for the defense sucking. 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said:

 

 

Okay I'll pretend Taylors good too now because of Peterman ??‍♂️

 

Neither one is worth keeping around.    And you know this man.  

 

 

Tyrods embarrassing play vs Panthers/Saints = Petermans embarrassing play vs Chargers 

No, tyrod is average and Peterman is bad. 

[CountDorkula]

13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They have lost all 4 games that he hasn’t started over the last 4 years. 3 of the 4 losses came against losing teams. He’s won more than half of his starts. You can keep showing up with a new name but you still have the same bs takes.

DO you really want to go into games the bills should have won with Taylor at QB that they didnt.

 

Again just because Taylor is better than Peterman doesnt mean he is good.

 

Hell, EJ Manuel is better than Peterman, perhaps we should start him next.

8 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Of course not.  He's been a top 10-12 QB in this league the whole time.  He has a crap O-line and a questionable cast of receiving targets in a terrible scheme.  Many QBs look like a dumpster fire in those circumstances.  Tyrod has looked AVERAGE despite dealing with those circumstances.

 

There are things he doesn't do very well, which is why he'll never be a top 5 or top 8 guy.  But he's plenty good enough to win with.

Im just curious if you could list out the 10-11 Qbs who are better than him, Im curious who you leave off the list. 

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No, tyrod is average and Peterman is bad. 

 

Neither one will ever see the playoffs.   

 

Go go ahead and let petey finish the season and let's go after Rosen.  

[Billzgobowlin]

2 minutes ago, unclepete said:

I disagree. Bledsoe for one year, maybe. But he also lossed a lot of games because he consistently turned the ball over. Flutie and Orton were on better teams. He didn't play well that last 2 games but we know this offense isn't built to score quickly. It's built for long sustained drives and quick decisions by the QB. Tyrod is the type of QB that holds on to the ball and has to see a receiver open. Not necessarily his strength. So if the Bills get down early with these receivers and these play calls it's a death sentence. Good coaches adjust their offense and defense to the strengths of their players. We put Tyrod in a position to fail and ask him to play to his weaknesses. Then blame him for the defense sucking. 

 

I agree but is this the coaching or Tyrod?  I have watched Tyrod in college and the pros and he has always resisted running in groups of games.  He just doesn't do it.  He can take over games or just bow out of them.  He had running room against the Jets and Saints on critical 3rd downs and neglects to run and tries a ill advised over the top pass.  He can be better if he uses all of his tools.

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

We can't forget how bad he looked the past two games, can we?   I would also consider Bledsoe, Flutie and even Orton higher than Tyrod.

Go back and look at Bledsoe’s Bills career. He was AWFUL. He’s the only guy in the history of the drought that we have a favorable impression of that was completely undeserved. He was Losman bad.

[unclepete]

1 minute ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I agree but is this the coaching or Tyrod?  I have watched Tyrod in college and the pros and he has always resisted running in groups of games.  He just doesn't do it.  He can take over games or just bow out of them.  He had running room against the Jets and Saints on critical 3rd downs and neglects to run and tries a ill advised over the top pass.  He can be better if he uses all of his tools.

He looks tentative to use those tools. He should use his legs more. I agree with that. But he's still our best option and can do enough to win until we draft a QB in the 1st next year. 

[Billzgobowlin]

Just now, unclepete said:

He looks tentative to use those tools. He should use his legs more. I agree with that. But he's still our best option and can do enough to win until we draft a QB in the 1st next year. 

I hope if nothing else it jump starts him to do something special, if it does it was worth it to bench him.

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said:

 

Neither one will ever see the playoffs.   

 

Go go ahead and let petey finish the season and let's go after Rosen.  

 

Which QB makes the playoffs in a season where their defense gives up 35+ points in 3 consecutive games?