Here you can admit that yes, it CAN get worse than Taylor

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No they lost those games. He was winning against Denver, Oakland, Tampa, Atlanta and the first Jets game though. He’s won more than he’s lost over the last 2.5 years. The other guys that started in that time frame have the same number of wins as me. 

I have to say it (sorry in advance)     ---    Denver, Tampa and Oakland are but memories of teams that went on a slide along with Atlanta that went on a mini slide.  Why did the Defense look so great against those teams?    

 

I have to say it (sorry in advance) part 2    ---   Tim Tebow had a winning record too.  

 

The TEAM has won more than they lost and not just BECAUSE of him.  For the 2 great games he has he has 2 garbage games.   TT is what he is. A mid tier QB in a QB starved NFL. 

 

We good?  

59 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Yeah I agreed Taylor's not the long term answer.

 

How many bad games like that did EJ have?

 

No one's giddy about Nate's failure, Shady.

They are giddy he had a very very bad game.   If you can't see it, you are not looking hard enough at the I told you so's

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

I have to say it (sorry in advance)     ---    Denver, Tampa and Oakland are but memories of teams that went on a slide along with Atlanta that went on a mini slide.  Why did the Defense look so great against those teams?    

 

I have to say it (sorry in advance) part 2    ---   Tim Tebow had a winning record too.  

 

The TEAM has won more than they lost and not just BECAUSE of him.  For the 2 great games he has he has 2 garbage games.   TT is what he is. A mid tier QB in a QB starved NFL. 

 

We good?  

So he gets blamed for the losses but no credit for the wins? Is that how this works? That’s sounds like Bills fan logic to me. With that I mean, obviously ridiculous. It’s one or the other. 

 

He rarely has great or garbage games. He’s actually really consistent. He has a great game, 5 average games and a garbage game. He’s not a bunch of highs and lows. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

But dude, that was AWFUL!!!  Way worse than anything EJ's done and waaaAAAAAAaaaaayyy worse than anything Taylor's done.

I said it was awful.  

I'll also say that TT would have also gotten pummeled too on the same plays NP did.  No time even for a quick release to get a pass off.   Step step bang.  

 

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

So he gets blamed for the losses but no credit for the wins? Is that how this works? That’s sounds like Bills fan logic to me. With that I mean, obviously ridiculous. It’s one or the other. 

 

He rarely has great or garbage games. He’s actually really consistent. He has a great game, 5 average games and a garbage game. He’s not a bunch of highs and lows. 

You know I'm busting chops.  TT gets some credit sure, but because the run game was HUGE.   Take away the run and how many wins do we have?  0 to 2. 

 

2 good 2 and  garbage is rarely. No?

Edited November 20, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[Kirby Jackson]

24 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I said it was awful.  

I'll also say that TT would have also gotten pummeled too on the same plays NP did.  No time even for a quick release to get a pass off.   Step step bang.  

 

You know I'm busting chops.  TT gets some credit sure, but because the run game was HUGE.   Take away the run and how many wins do we have?  0 to 2. 

 

2 good 2 and  garbage is rarely. No?

I really think he’s almost always the same. There are some great (Miami), some awful (New Orleans) but the overwhelming majority are in the okay category. That’s why he’s so polarizing. You can do better or worse. 

 

The run game hasn’t been huge at all this year. That’s mostly scheme IMO. It was good yesterday and has had its moments but it’s an average run game. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I really think he’s almost always the same. There are some great (Miami), some awful (New Orleans) but the overwhelming majority are in the okay category. That’s why he’s so polarizing. You can do better or worse. 

 

The run game hasn’t been huge at all this year. That’s mostly scheme IMO. It was good yesterday and has had its moments but it’s an average run game. 

Fair,  I can accept that.   He is who I (we) thought he is.  

sadly not good enough.  

It does not please me that he didn't get it done           like some people think

 

[transplantbillsfan]

7 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

I knew this would happen though. Peteraman is bad, the board would overreact, Peterman was good, the board would overreact.

 

Taylor is not a top 10-12 QB in this league all of the sudden because Peterman was bad.

the Bills needs to do better and continue to search until they have the guy in place.

 

For those saying you can win with Taylor, well, why aren't the Bills "Winning with Taylor"?

 

 

 

Peterman wasn't just bad.  He was absolutely horrid.  Like historically horrid.

 

5 interceptions and two 3 and outs.

 

Oh, and an almost-turnover because he wasn't ready for the snap while he was in shotgun.

 

 

We were winning with Taylor.  We were 5-4.  That was a winning record.  Now we're .500.

 

Taylor might not be a top 10-12 QB, but he's a top 20 QB.  McDermott's backed himself into a corner at this point and it's going to be really interesting to watch the rest of this team take catnaps on the field if he decides to keep his best QB on the bench.

Edited November 20, 2017 by transplantbillsfan

[JM2009]

5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Agreed. Even though I wasn't a fan of Orton.  People let stats blind them.   

Come on transplant.   After 1 half game?   You are better than that.  Just last week you agreed Taylor wasn't the answer.  

In order to say Nate is the worst there is you need to see more games.   How many bad games did you excuse for EJ?  

 

We have absolutely no idea what Taylor would have done.

 

I did say pretend, because a lot of people who are also not sold on TT are the ones very giddy about Nates failure.    

 

crusade?  Again - You are better than that.  

 

did your friend 2009 tell you to say that.  

 

He's on ignore and the only thing I have said is he needs help with his obsession with the word crusade.  

 

Or are you referring to the other guy who was wrong and refused to admit it?  

How'd the Defense do?  

 

I said all last week that I wanted Peterman to win so we stay in the playoff race at the sixth seed. More dishonest posting from you. Yes, you are one of the crusaders. If you were not, you would have some negative comments towards xRushx and Crusher. Never happens.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

McDermott made his decision and it backfired.   People need to get over it.  

 

He may yet start Nate again.  

 

If he does I’ll root for him and as always pick the Bills to win.  

 

If he gives us another stinker I’ll say so.  

Love ? my Bills.  

 

My opinion doesn’t mean squat to the FO.  

 

[transplantbillsfan]

9 hours ago, Air it out Fitzy said:

 

 

Okay I'll pretend Taylors good too now because of Peterman ??‍♂️

 

Neither one is worth keeping around.    And you know this man.  

 

 

Tyrods embarrassing play vs Panthers/Saints = Petermans embarrassing play vs Chargers 

 

QBs in the NFL have bad games.  They all do.

 

Taylor's had 3 bad games out of 9 in 2017.  That's not good enough... I think you'd rather see, at most, 3 in an entire 16 game season.  But regardless, Taylor's the better option than Peterman by a mile and he's better than at minimum a handful of other NFL starting QBs.

 

I don't really know what previously banned poster you are, but the blind bias is strong with you

[Teddy KGB]

45 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

QBs in the NFL have bad games.  They all do.

 

Taylor's had 3 bad games out of 9 in 2017.  That's not good enough... I think you'd rather see, at most, 3 in an entire 16 game season.  But regardless, Taylor's the better option than Peterman by a mile and he's better than at minimum a handful of other NFL starting QBs.

 

I don't really know what previously banned poster you are, but the blind bias is strong with you

 

Your bias is cooler ??

 

Start another 18 threads on how great TT is then admit he needed to be benched again??‍♂️ 

 

BBMB CoT fail.    I look forward to your thoughts on Rosen/Rudolph/Darnold.    

Edited November 21, 2017 by Air it out Fitzy

[transplantbillsfan]

9 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

QB wouldn't have made the difference, at least Peterman took chances.  

 

Are you joking?

 

Are you saying QB wouldn't have made a difference in terms of us winning or losing yesterday?

 

Yeah, it's possible we lose yesterday, but I doubt it's the bloodbath it turned out to be.  Peterman was THE reason we were down 30 points at halftime.  That's what happens when you give the other team the ball and they turn those 5 turnovers into 24 points... coulda been 27 if the SD FG kicker doesn't miss a gimme.

 

 

But I mean, at least when Peterman didn't throw interceptions, he was getting 1st downs and not going 3 & out like Tayl... oh wait... yes he was

[reddogblitz]

22 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

But I mean, at least when Peterman didn't throw interceptions, he was getting 1st downs and not going 3 & out like Tayl... oh wait... yes he was

I

On one of those I cheered when the punter came out. YES, we got through three plays without a pick!

[transplantbillsfan]

9 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

I think the Bucs game was only close because Taylor could not produce TDs after great field position starts after Turnovers. I also think the run game is awful based on Taylor's skill set IN THIS SCHEME. Like I said, I think TT prolly better than Peterman in the right scheme, just not this one. 

 

And tell me Taylor was not a huge part of the losses at Carolina, Cinci, NY and the Saints. Not all his fault, and certainly the D just as at fault the last two, but the Cinci and Carolina performances out of him were absolutely atrocious.

 

Taylor was a big part of the losses against Carolina, Cincy and NO.

 

He absolutely was not in primetime against the Jets.  He looked like the only Bills player who actually showed up to the game aside from Zay Jones who unfortunately got hurt.  That was probably one of his 5 best games.

 

I think giving up 300 yards on the ground by the defense was the biggest reason we lost against New Orleans.

 

 

Regardless, 3 bad games out of 9.  Let's see how many more of those he has the rest of the year, assuming McDermott is still trying to win games.  He very well might not be.  We'll find out on Wednesday.

9 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

And most will say Taylor put that in the wrong spot. And without a gift, Defensive TD in Atlanta and a whacked call in the Denver game and 3 TO's against TB and 4 against the Raiders those all could be losses.

 

To the Denver game alone; lest we forget that the Bills were winning that game even with the "whacked" unsportsmanlike penalty called on Miller that just sealed the deal?

[Billzgobowlin]

54 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Are you joking?

 

Are you saying QB wouldn't have made a difference in terms of us winning or losing yesterday?

 

Yeah, it's possible we lose yesterday, but I doubt it's the bloodbath it turned out to be.  Peterman was THE reason we were down 30 points at halftime.  That's what happens when you give the other team the ball and they turn those 5 turnovers into 24 points... coulda been 27 if the SD FG kicker doesn't miss a gimme.

 

 

But I mean, at least when Peterman didn't throw interceptions, he was getting 1st downs and not going 3 & out like Tayl... oh wait... yes he was

You might have missed the previous two weeks but that is exactly what happened for the past two weeks minus the turnovers

[transplantbillsfan]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The place that we disagree is that the AFC is bad enough that we could have been a playoff team. We weren’t a contender but were “playoff caliber” as our coach likes to say. 9 wins probably gets a WC this year and yesterday was one of the most pivotal games if they were going to get there. They sacrificed it. 

 

I dont mind the rebuild but let’s call it that. Let’s stop with the nonsense of “winning now with an eye to the future.” They tanked with that decision yesterday. I had heard Peterman had been bad in practice. This wasn’t a guy that you had to get on the field. It was a tank move. If we call it that and move forward as such, cool. Get your guy this year and let’s go.  

 

This this 1000x this!!!

 

But here's my problem with this: he screwed up the tank!!!

 

If that was his goal, we legitimately should have started Peterman from week 1.  But when Lorax and especially Kyle decided to come back, it felt like a couple guys were convinced by their Head Coach that the team was going to aim for a winning season.  Were they duped?  Better yet, why would McDermott even try to get them to not retire if that's all he wanted to do?

 

 

We're going to have our answer in large part on Wednesday.  I guess I'm fine and can deal with either.  If we start Peterman, we're tanking even though I'll still watch every game and hope against hope that Peterman suddenly turns into Brady.  I mean, it can't get any worse than what he did Sunday, right?

 

But if McDermott comes out and says Taylor is the starter, which I mostly expect (though absolutely nothing is going to shock me anymore when it comes to McDermott), then he's telling this team that we're still trying to make a run.

 

 

Whichever way he goes I'm fine with as long as he just sticks with that QB the rest of the year.

 

 

I do kinda fear that he's pretty stubborn with "the process" and that he's going to start Peterman, anyway, and that he's doing it because he actually believes he can win with him.

 

 

[apuszczalowski]

They were not and still not tanking, they are doing exactly what they said they are doing, trying to win with an eye on the future. They aren't trying to lose games to get teh #1 overall pick, they are looking to win games now, but also doing so while trying to build their team for the future. They aren't going to lose on purpose just to move up in the draft(the definition of a tank), but they are also going to look to younger guys and temporary place holder veterans while collecting picks  to bridge the gap til they can get players in that fit what they are trying to run.

 

The move to start peterman was them hoping to maybe jump start a stalled offence, unfortunatley it blew up in their face and didn't work.

 

Now as I say all this, they are probably finishing up the paper work to release taylor, put Glen, Benjamin and matthews on IR while McCoy has an unfortunate mishap during practice and also has to head to IR and peterman gets the nod to start the rest of the season when they bring Joe Webb back to be the #2 QB.......

[transplantbillsfan]

15 hours ago, ddaryl said:

2 weeks in a row before the Chargers game this team was in a free fall and TT didn't have much going for him.. So unless we wanted to change the entire OL or the entire Defense the only move was a QB swap... which obvioulsy didn't help but at least we get to see what we have going forward..

 

I'd like to see a few more games of Peterman.. I want to see what kind of resolve the man has.. The only reaosn I want TT playing QB would be because this OL sucks realy bad, and Peterman might end up on a stretcher

 

 

 

It was 1 terrible game for Taylor against the Saints.

 

He was the only player on the team other than Zay Jones who showed up vs the Jets. 38 games as a starter for Taylor. What percentage of those were bad? 15-20%... at most?

 

Sorry. The Chargers game would probably have been a bounce back game for Taylor. We might not have won, but we wouldn't have been down by 30 at the half after 24 points off turnovers.

[xRUSHx]

33 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

It was 1 terrible game for Taylor against the Saints.

 

He was the only player on the team other than Zay Jones who showed up vs the Jets. 38 games as a starter for Taylor. What percentage of those were bad? 15-20%... at most?

 

Sorry. The Chargers game would probably have been a bounce back game for Taylor. We might not have won, but we wouldn't have been down by 30 at the half after 24 points off turnovers.

Your dreaming, a bounce back game on the road for Tyrod? I do not agree, Tyrod on the road is a joke always has been but to think a bounce back was possible against his old OC? This game had ugly written all over it regardless of who was starting iMO.

 

Lynn was licking his chops, we all know he would have done exactly what the Saints did to Tyrod, load the box and make Tyrod be a QB. Only difference was Peterman was throwing the turnover while Tyrod would have let the kicker do it for him. Sack, sack, sack, kick.

 

Team is a hot mess, this is all about next years draft now. 

..

Edited November 21, 2017 by xRUSHx

[Ol Dirty B]

On 11/19/2017 at 8:11 PM, Wayne Arnold said:

Peterman still threw for more yards in one half than Taylor threw the entire game last week.

 

Just sayin...

 

God what a horrendously stupid post.

 

He threw for more interceptions in a half than Tyrod threw all year. Does that register in your mind at all?

 

I will even leave out the douchey, Just Sayin 

 

No **** you are just saying it, i just read it.

On 11/19/2017 at 8:54 PM, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Let's not pretend Taylor is flawless just because Peterman had a historically bad first outing. Receivers are open for great quarterbacks even when it looks like they aren't. Peterman was finding guys to throw to for the most part - he just was getting annihilated in the process.

 

In fact, maybe today really did have a silver lining: I never saw Taylor as aggressive with downfield throws in limited time than today. Like he had nothing to lose. (Except for his fumble). Maybe we'll see more aggressiveness from him as a result of the benching.

 

What the hell did you watch? First, no one thinks Tyrod is a franchise guy but he is clearly the best guy they have right now.

 

Peterman was finding guys to throw too? He completed 43% of passes. He completed just under that to the other team.

 

You think it's good quarterbacking to just loft the ball up like a punt instead of taking the sack? I mean those balls just hung in the air and were going way short of their targets. He was wreckless... And you find a silver lining in that maybe he could be even more aggressive? If I were you, I'd just blame my posts on poor diction because if it's not, you have absolutely horrible judgment.

Edited November 21, 2017 by Ol Dirty B

[transplantbillsfan]

17 hours ago, unclepete said:

Are interceptions worse than nonthrows? Look our  of the future is in College right now. Let's win all we can with our best option. Which is Tyrod at this point

 

Yeah... interceptions are worse