To everyone who was so adamant that the Bills start Peterman

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I like the phrase Petermanics.....  I'd call them Petermaniacs......  

 

I have stated in countless threads & posts that I really don't know what Taylor is as a qb, because the Bills have terrible pass schemes, unimaginative in their movement on the LOS, playcalling, no audibles from what I can tell, got rid of Watkins to screw the offense and to top it off tried to fit the round peg into a square hole (yes I am calling Taylor round).  

 

Yes I want to see a minimum of 250 yards passing (unless the team runs for 250-300 yards) too.  

 

Maybe Taylor is not the qb, but I wanted to at least see him given a chance.  As I too have said, watch the Rams and Goff.  Goff is much improved, but at least 50% of the credit is Fisher (maybe the worst NFL coach is gone) and McVay has installed a great offense with weapons, which means there are mismatches.......  BTW see how much Gurley too has improved because of those weapons and offensive changes.

 

Also Taylor played well vs. Denver and fine vs. Atl.

 

 

How many years running can you blame the OC and play calling?

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

How many years running can you blame the OC and play calling?

Until I see some unique offensive formation, audibles, movement at the LOS, more shotgun, not being able to call the play based on how they line-up at the LOS and utilising a hurry-up offense.

 

Add some wr screens, quick throws when the coverage is 10 yards off, converting more third and shorts.......

 

Seen none of this for 3 years and then I turn on other games and it is happening all the time. 

[BringBackOrton]

16 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Until I see some unique offensive formation, audibles, movement at the LOS, more shotgun, not being able to call the play based on how they line-up at the LOS and utilising a hurry-up offense.

 

Add some wr screens, quick throws when the coverage is 10 yards off, converting more third and shorts.......

 

Seen none of this for 3 years and then I turn on other games and it is happening all the time. 

Too many audibles confuse Tyrod.

 

Tyrod was in the shotgun the majority  of the year last year. And we had unique motions and presnap movements.

 

Tyrod can't run a hurry up.

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

Too many audibles confuse Tyrod.

 

Tyrod was in the shotgun the majority  of the year last year. And we had unique motions and presnap movements.

 

Tyrod can't run a hurry up.

I saw no motion that confused me. 

 

Again you maybe right he can't audible or run a hurry up, which it seems 30 QB's in the NFL can.  

 

To me I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't that inept, until someone tells me otherwise.

 

You see it is easy to tell if a QB has accuracy, throws the ball with zip, finesse or can throw a long ball.....  Not so easy about what goes on between the ears.

 

Tyrod I've seen throw many good bombs (see Watkins, Clay, Goodwin, Woods, Thompson) and seldom see him way off on those......  He has trouble on passes many qb's do.  He throws a decent touch pass (see Shady's catches).  As for his checkdowns and playcalling again I can't be 100% sure because the Bills consider a 220 yard passing game airing it out.....

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I think the collective IQ has dropped.  

 

 

Lets all make up new names for each group and assumed  group.  

 

 

Taylor is what he is (asssumptions that he may be gone in 18) and Nate is nothing but a rookie that had a very bad outing. 

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

In an NFL season defined by terrible decisions at QB, which team's is the worst?

Quote

by Jared Dubin
Let's count down the season's 10 worst QB decisions, and, no, the Nathan Peterman debacle isn't No. 1

 

7. Bills bench Tyrod Taylor for Nathan Peterman
This... did not work out well. The Bills elected to send the quarterback with the lowest interception rate of all time to the bench, then saw his backup get picked off five times in the first half against the Chargers before mercifully pulling him from the game and letting Tyrod Taylor finish it out. It's not like Tyrod was lighting the world on fire before he was benched, but he certainly wasn't playing poorly enough to get the plug. It's not like it's his fault the Bills suddenly became unable to stop the run after trading Marcell Dareus. Not only did Buffalo lose a game's worth of ground in the playoff race with this decision, they may have done some damage to both Peterman and Taylor in the process. 

Edited November 23, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz

[grb]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I think the collective IQ has dropped. 

Lets all make up new names for each group and assumed  group. 

Taylor is what he is (asssumptions that he may be gone in 18) and Nate is nothing but a rookie that had a very bad outing.

 

Uh huh. And how long have you been peddling the COT thing?

Hint : A hell of a lot longer than even the very first mention of "Petermanics" (or "Petermaniacs")

I tend to think the collective IQ drops when people get so angry / sour they stop thinking and just gripe / grumble.

What do you think of that theory ??

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

4 hours ago, jmc12290 said:

How many years running can you blame the OC and play calling?

 

On to OC number 4 I guess, maybe we can beat Jay Cutler's record with the Bears.

 

After the 3rd OC it's called Jay Cutler syndrome and must be removed or infection may occur.

[CircleTheWagons99]

The thing that deives me crazy is you guys are taking about Tyrod as if he is a guy that just had a monster game and got benched...the man throw for 56 yards against the saints....do you really think he would of been magic agaisnt the chargers D? The only thing I hope comes from the Chargers game is that McD realizes  no QB can be successful here with the right side of the line. Mills and Vlad have to go. 

[billsredneck1]

On 11/21/2017 at 8:21 AM, Niagara said:

It continues to amaze me how insightful some of the comments are on these forum pages. Dennison was a second choice here as Offensive Coordinator, and Denver was happy to be rid of him. Matter2003 would be a better OC.

Making a change to Peterman was not wrong given TTs previous two outings, but Peterman certainly was not given any help either (see above). And this injury thing with the Bills. No matter who coaches them, Bills players always seem to be made of glass. Sammy Watkins is fine in LA, but not here. That was a beautiful pass to Benjamin, but of course Benjamin is carted off on a cart and thereby taking him off the table for Peterman. And the tipped pass was by a seasoned vet brought here to steady the ship causing one of the interceptions.

i am not going to say i'm sorry for wanting peterman because i believe he has talent and the traits of an nfl qb. if/when we lose the next 2, i want to see him play the rest of the way. all the coaches did against sd was pathetic.

[Green Lightning]

On 11/19/2017 at 7:46 PM, CLTbills said:

Still waiting for the Peterman homers.....

 

although, I can't blame all of those picks on him. Still played horrific.

Let's see how TT does now that DC's have his number. Either way, TT or NP we finish 7-9 tops. We need a QB for real and loads more talent on both lines. 

[BADOLBILZ]

On 11/19/2017 at 7:53 PM, mattynh said:

 

That pass had too much heat.   He was like 4 yards from him and he zipped it.   Every INT is on peterman no matter what moose said.   They were all his fault.  

 

It came in hot, high and a bit behind.    Of course should have caught it but the play was going nowhere with that oaf getting the ball......he's terrible in the pass game.

 

Given the same call,   Tyrod doesn't throw that ball........goes around the defender and runs for a 6- 8 yard gain.  

 

 And on the ALL-22 Andy Benoit scores it against him.

 

Here's the thing that perplexes me.........the Bills run a defense DESIGNED TO MAKE TEAMS THROW A LOT OF SHORT PASSES.........because if you make most teams throw a lot of short passes things like what happened with DiMarco HAPPEN.    

 

Why do they want to do the same things offensively that they want their opponents to do offensively?

 

   

[Billsfan1972]

28 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

i am not going to say i'm sorry for wanting peterman because i believe he has talent and the traits of an nfl qb. if/when we lose the next 2, i want to see him play the rest of the way. all the coaches did against sd was pathetic.

And why exactly? Pop-Warner Football, High School,  The Heisman caliber 2-year College career? 56% passing in pre-season or the drive vs. NO down 44?

 

He is a rookie 5th rounder........

[BringBackOrton]

7 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I saw no motion that confused me. 

 

Again you maybe right he can't audible or run a hurry up, which it seems 30 QB's in the NFL can.  

 

To me I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't that inept, until someone tells me otherwise.

 

You see it is easy to tell if a QB has accuracy, throws the ball with zip, finesse or can throw a long ball.....  Not so easy about what goes on between the ears.

 

Tyrod I've seen throw many good bombs (see Watkins, Clay, Goodwin, Woods, Thompson) and seldom see him way off on those......  He has trouble on passes many qb's do.  He throws a decent touch pass (see Shady's catches).  As for his checkdowns and playcalling again I can't be 100% sure because the Bills consider a 220 yard passing game airing it out.....

Roman and Lynn both had ton of presnap movement.

 

again, we keep blaming OC's for his deficiencies. Do you really think it's more likely 3 separate OC's are so incompetent they can't teach a QB to run a 2 minute offense or that the QB can't learn?

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

Roman and Lynn both had ton of presnap movement.

 

again, we keep blaming OC's for his deficiencies. Do you really think it's more likely 3 separate OC's are so incompetent they can't teach a QB to run a 2 minute offense or that the QB can't learn?

 

 

Who says the offense last year wasn't good?   Best they've had in 25 years.

 

You have become a worthless troll on this board.   Gugny level bad.

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Who says the offense last year wasn't good?   Best they've had in 25 years.

 

You have become a worthless troll on this board.   Gugny level bad.

The offense was good. Shady McCoy was great. TT was as painfully mediocre as he is this year.

 

 

[harv shitz]

On 11/19/2017 at 7:46 PM, CLTbills said:

Still waiting for the Peterman homers.....

 

although, I can't blame all of those picks on him. Still played horrific.

I'm more than happy to weigh in on this: I was at the Saints game, and that was the worst quarterback performance I have ever seen, in over 40 years of watching football! Things started off bad for Peterman, from Benjamin going down on the first play, to a dropped/tipped ball going the other way, to horseshit line play.

 

The coach took a shot, and it didn't work. I give him credit for trying. If you think for a second that Taylor starting would have made any difference, you are dilusional! 

 

Taylor is average at very best. He won't throw over the middle, won't throw on rhythm, won't throw into a tight spot, won't throw a guy open, and checks down way too often, all the while running around Helter Skelter looking for a guy stationary, wide open, to toss to in the flat. 

 

I'm sick of watching horseshit quarterback play, and that is what we get with Taylor. Can't wait for the season to be over, and see him gone!

 

Hopefully we can acquire a FA like Keenum or Cousins, or draft a kid that can come in and start. 

 

As for Peterman, he deserves another chance. I still believe he will end up being a much better NFL quarterback in time than Taylor will.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

The offense was good. Shady McCoy was great. TT was as painfully mediocre as he is this year.

 

 

 

 

Where's your championship game loser list?

 

I'll help you out.........Andrew Luck is tied for championship game appearances with Shaun King......and David Garrard........and Rodney Peete.

 

I like Andrew Luck he's a talented QB but there is sufficient evidence to prove without a doubt that it is not the least bit necessary to tank to become a great team........and ultimately THAT is the goal............more teams get there jumping from mediocrity than from tanksville.   FACT.

[billsfan3482]

3 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

The thing that deives me crazy is you guys are taking about Tyrod as if he is a guy that just had a monster game and got benched...the man throw for 56 yards against the saints....do you really think he would of been magic agaisnt the chargers D? The only thing I hope comes from the Chargers game is that McD realizes  no QB can be successful here with the right side of the line. Mills and Vlad have to go. 

Amen, not one national media dick brought up his 56 yd performance or his refusal to throw. Lol, he gives us a better chance because he's a vet. THATS IT!!! Not his arm. Its been an unbelievabe week,  it sounded like we benched Brady lol.

There is absolutely no guarantee we would have won against the chargers or beat kc this week with almighty Tyrod.

Unless this benching sparked something, but I doubt it.

Edited November 23, 2017 by billsfan3482

[BADOLBILZ]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

Forget the games up until now, forget the 5-2 start, forget the Saints game, forget the benching, forget the 5 INT and Taylor starting the second half. If the Bills turn it around and make the playoffs and TT does well (however unlikely) in the last six games, there will be reason to keep him regardless of the draft and rookie QB. If he doesnt excel, which is likely, and we dont make the playoffs he will not be a Bill in 2018.

But that's exactly as it was when this season started. Nothing has really changed except indigestion.

 

 

Yep.

 

It's not even a given that Taylor is gone...........nor should it be.......there is dearth of talent on this offense and a high bust rate with QB selections......so getting rid of Taylor without better players on offense and a better supporting defense to help a young QB could lead to a REAL TANK job that could last until he gets fired and beyond.