grb Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) Way back on 13Oct, this was my take on Petermania : Not to be a sourpuss, but there are three problems with Petermania : (1) Never has so many back-up dreams been based on so little. Usually the backup makes a splash in preseason with big-time plays and gaudy numbers - by (yes) facing third-stringers, future Sears salesmen, and vanilla defenses. But Peterman completed just 54% of his passes for 5.4 yards per attempt. His longest throw was only 28 yards. Petermanics thrill to the memory of a ten yard slant (it was soooooo perfect), forgetting the wildly inaccurate throws it was sandwiched between. Taylor's bad outtings playing meaningful games against some of the league's most brutal defenses are barely worse than Peterman's entire preseason record. (2) Right now the Bills have no running attack, an offensive line which frequently implodes, a (temporary, we hope) head case for one receiver, several punt returners for other receivers, and the very definition of a journeyman pulled off the scrap heap topping the group off. Prior to Cincinnati, Taylor was in the top-quarter of the NFL making plus-twenty yard pass plays with pretty much a tight end and running back alone. Then, of course, he lost the tight end. Instead of dreamily believing Nathan can make more of this dung hill, why not ask how Taylor has been able to accomplish what he has? Setting aside raw attempts, who has made more with less? And here's a question : How exactly is poor NP going to stretch the field? If you found the 4.7 ypa Bengal's game ugly, what do you expect Peterman to produce? Ya ain't seen nutt'n yet, dink and dunk-wise. (3) Taylor and Peterman were both late-round picks for a reason. In both cases there were / are problems with their game. Believe it or not, Taylor is at least an average quarterback today. Given decent NFL-grade talent to play with, he's looked pretty solid. But that has been an accomplishment of years of hard work on both his strengths and weaknesses. If Flacco had gone down Taylor's rookie year, I'd bet anything TT would have flamed-out years ago. Peterman has a chance to beat the odds too, but I don't think it will come from being dumped into the Bills' cesspool offense. The Petermanics' dreamy best wishes may kill their man with kindness..... Edited October 13 by grb I think my last point looks pretty strong today. Peterman can recover from this game, but sometimes entire careers burn out when young players are asked to do too much too soon. Also, prediction-wise : Peterman averaged 4.7 ypa, so my prediction he'd do worse was way off-base...... https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/197095-again-how-can-a-switch-to-peterman-be-any-worse/?page=28 Edited November 20, 2017 by grb
starrymessenger Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Watched the Rams and Vikes earlier today. Case Keenum, a scheme dependant journeyman QB continued his excellent play. Call me crazy but I'm pretty sure Peterman would have looked a lot better, and maybe even good, behind that line and with the Vikes weapons at his disposal. Last year Keenum was pretty aweful behind a bad line and with fewer weapons. I don't think coach was wrong to start Peterman because he is a fifth round raw rookie. It appears to me that he miscalculated by not taking into consideration just how bad the O-line was in pass pro especially going against a team that can get after the QB. Losing Benjamin and Matthews only made a bad situation much worse, in fact downright impossible to overcome. When Ben and Brady came in as rooks/raw QBs they were surrounded with and supported by much better players than we have on our roster. The nightmare that is this defence probably on its own was enuf to seal our fate as far as competing for the win was concerned. I don't know who coach will or even should start in KC. There really are no good options and I'm not sure which of the two is worse.
Senth Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Sonja Henie is out so let's see I'm gonna go with Joe Webb.
grb Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Call me crazy but I'm pretty sure Peterman would have looked a lot better, and maybe even good, behind that line and with the Vikes weapons at his disposal. Last year Keenum was pretty awful behind a bad line and with fewer weapons. Nah, I won't call you crazy. I will - however - suggest you consider how much better Taylor would look with average pass protection and decent-grade targets. Better than Peterman, I'd bet
stevestojan Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, mannc said: What’s that Quarterback Rating? 17.857
Stank_Nasty Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 I’m trying to put a silver lining on this thing. There really isn’t one. The defense is completely f**ked. The line has been awful. BUT..... what if the benching lit some sort of fire under Taylor’s ass and from here on out he just lets his nuts hang all over the field and things start happening on offense? I’m not gonna hold my breath but maybe it was just what the Dr ordered. 2 minutes ago, stevestojan said: 17.857 If there’s one thing I’ve learned from this board it’s that qb rating means nothing. Lol 1
starrymessenger Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, grb said: Nah, I won't call you crazy. I will - however - suggest you consider how much better Taylor would look with average pass protection and decent-grade targets. Better than Peterman, I'd bet They would in that case probably both look better imo. As for the bet, to me its a 50/50 proposition at this point. Taylor has the assets we know about and he is experienced, but he really isn't very good at throwing a football. You clearly win the bet if you are of a mind to write Peterman off as a prospect. Speaking for myself I'm not there already, although I gather many are.
Marty McFly Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 The rookie looked bad his 1st outing. I knew it was gonna be bad but no one could have predicted 5 picks in the 1st half. I hoped we would win and i was bein negative for no reason but dam, that was a big McFck up!
Agent 91 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, The juice said: Start peterman. Seasons gone Lockers been lost Season has already been gone. I dont know why the Jet game wasnt the telling factor. That was when I knew. Now, couple that with NE×2 and the Chiefs. We now will be lucky if we dont end up 5 and 8. Its a cycle. We arent going anywhere regardless.
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, stevestojan said: 17.857 That's higher than I expected. 1
Agent 91 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, jmc12290 said: This is actually worst case scenario. If Petey showed something but still lost because he's a fifth round rookie, you could sell the locker room on him while keeping your pick high for 2018. He was so bad you can't reasonably start him from here on out, even though that would virtually ensure a top 7 pick. Now we'll win a couple with TT and pick #10-16 and miss on QB's. Red alert. Who are we beating? Miami 2 times?
Kirby Jackson Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Welcome back to common sense everyone 1
Agent 91 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: He is better than Peterman that's all that matters. Can we not try to dog Taylor after Peterman had a worse showing than EJ in London. or Tyrod last week
BringBackOrton Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, Agent 91 said: Who are we beating? Miami 2 times? We'll steal a game from the Colts and Miami probably.
HappyDays Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 11 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: I’m trying to put a silver lining on this thing. There really isn’t one. The defense is completely f**ked. The line has been awful. BUT..... what if the benching lit some sort of fire under Taylor’s ass and from here on out he just lets his nuts hang all over the field and things start happening on offense? I’m not gonna hold my breath but maybe it was just what the Dr ordered. If there’s one thing I’ve learned from this board it’s that qb rating means nothing. Lol I actually don’t want Tyrod being more aggressive. We don’t have receivers that can reward aggressiveness. If they aren’t open don’t throw them the ball. The scheme is what needs to go. We’re making the same mistake on offense that we made with Rex’s defense. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 So, Tyrod sent a text to a friend at halftime (he probably shouldn’t do that) saying that it was 100% Dennison’s decision to bench him. Apparently Dennison basically told McDermott that he wanted Nate. 2
Scott7975 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: We'll steal a game from the Colts and Miami probably. Well... smoking jay might have had almost as bad of a game as Peterman did if he wouldn't have gotten concussed. Then again Peterman could have also continued his passes to the other team if he stayed in.
Manther Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Adam said: Maybe its time to take a look at Taylor as the future and get some talent around him. The offense improved dramatically when he went in No thank you
Scott7975 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: So, Tyrod sent a text to a friend at halftime (he probably shouldn’t do that) saying that it was 100% Dennison’s decision to bench him. Apparently Dennison basically told McDermott that he wanted Nate. Guess trying to save his job backfired. Then again, not sure McD will fire him.
McNubbins Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: So, Tyrod sent a text to a friend at halftime (he probably shouldn’t do that) saying that it was 100% Dennison’s decision to bench him. Apparently Dennison basically told McDermott that he wanted Nate. Can this be documented anywhere? Also, Tyrod, if it's true that McDermott wants to win now.
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