BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Only because there is a lack of a true QB in the NFL. The college coaches do not do a good job of developing real talent. The only thing lacking is opportunities in the NFL for people willing to innovate with these talented young men.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) One of Peterman's strengths is purported to be accuracy. Not here with a throw OOB that provided no chance for Holmes to make a play. The pocket is totally clean here! Edited November 21, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz
Kirby Jackson Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Only because there is a lack of a true QB in the NFL. The college coaches do not do a good job of developing real talent. Wrong, the game just evolved. The Wing-T used to be a thing too. Teams are scoring at a rate that they’ve never scored at. This is an offensive era. The rules play a role but so does the evolution of the QB position and the spread offense. FWIW, I would say that both Bills QBs do this. Edited November 21, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: The only thing lacking is opportunities in the NFL for people willing to innovate with these talented young men. Shouldn't that start in college? We have 10 to 20 average QBs in the league, maybe 5 Very good ones, 2 of which are a lock for the HoF. the other 12 are very poor. 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Wrong, the game just evolved. The Wing-T used to be a thing too. Teams are scoring at a rate that they’ve never scored at. This is an offensive era. The rules play a role but so does the evolution of the QB position and the spread offense. FWIW, I would say that both Bills QBs do this. If you want to eliminate the passing game ..... Make it illegal. Some "progression" is actually a regression. I'm just being a wise *** while trying to shed some insight at a rate that they’ve never scored at - All except Buffalo. Defenses have forgotten how to tackle? I recall seeing games with high scores of 35 to 45 pt games weekly years ago. So maybe not much of a change overall. Edited November 21, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Shouldn't that start in college? We have 10 to 20 average QBs in the league, maybe 5 Very good ones, 2 of which are a lock for the HoF. the other 12 are very poor. It is starting in College. Offenses are being developed to get the most out of their skillsets as quickly as possible. Then they get to the NFL and they are asked to completely change the way they play because the coaches don't want to adapt. All you have to do is look at the success Houston was having with Watson this year. The staff there fully embraced Watson's skillset and he flourished for it. There needs to be more of that around the league, and there will be if Watson picks up where he left off down there because everyone else will need to catch up.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 WRT to Watson - How many other QB's out of how many total QB's drafted in 17 have seen success? 0, 1, 2 more than that? We might get lucky and see one Star per year, Will that Star be shining bright in 3 + seasons? these are questions not arguments
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: WRT to Watson - How many other QB's out of how many total QB's drafted in 17 have seen success? 0, 1, 2 more than that? Clearly Watson, yes. The only other one I would say has had success so far is CJ Beathard, given his supporting cast. But, as Yolo may point out, I'm slightly biased on that. 1 1
GoBills808 Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: It is starting in College. Offenses are being developed to get the most out of their skillsets as quickly as possible. Then they get to the NFL and they are asked to completely change the way they play because the coaches don't want to adapt. All you have to do is look at the success Houston was having with Watson this year. The staff there fully embraced Watson's skillset and he flourished for it. There needs to be more of that around the league, and there will be if Watson picks up where he left off down there because everyone else will need to catch up. Granted I've only seen his game against NE, but aside from a couple of called QB runs and a slightly more-than-average amount 7 step drops to get him some space the Texans looked like they were doing pretty traditional things with Watson. Have they really implemented a very different sort of offense for him, or is he just a superior quarterback?
Kirby Jackson Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Shouldn't that start in college? We have 10 to 20 average QBs in the league, maybe 5 Very good ones, 2 of which are a lock for the HoF. the other 12 are very poor. If you want to eliminate the passing game ..... Make it illegal. Some "progression" is actually a regression. I'm just being a wise *** while trying to shed some insight at a rate that they’ve never scored at - All except Buffalo. Defenses have forgotten how to tackle? I recall seeing games with high scores of 35 to 45 pt games weekly years ago. So maybe not much of a change overall. 5 of the top 9 seasons in terms of per team scoring average have been since 2012. 9 of the last 10 seasons would fall in the top 16. Scoring is at its peak. The passing game is too. It’s just different. It isn’t a bunch of stand in the pocket and go through a series of progressions. It’s 2 reads and make a play. That isn’t changing any time soon as evidenced by the stats from Hokie. The only way that’s going to change is if the defenses find a way to stop it. 12 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: It is starting in College. Offenses are being developed to get the most out of their skillsets as quickly as possible. Then they get to the NFL and they are asked to completely change the way they play because the coaches don't want to adapt. All you have to do is look at the success Houston was having with Watson this year. The staff there fully embraced Watson's skillset and he flourished for it. There needs to be more of that around the league, and there will be if Watson picks up where he left off down there because everyone else will need to catch up. KC and Philly are the other examples. They are basically running Smith’s college offense (even though they’ve slowed some). There are college concepts all over the place with Wentz too. All 3 of those QBs have been in the MVP conversation this year.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Granted I've only seen his game against NE, but aside from a couple of called QB runs and a slightly more-than-average amount 7 step drops to get him some space the Texans looked like they were doing pretty traditional things with Watson. Have they really implemented a very different sort of offense for him, or is he just a superior quarterback? From my understanding they pretty much copied a bunch of the route combinations and play designs he was used to from Clemson last year so that he would be more comfortable in knowing where to expect his receivers to be at any given time. They also incorporated a decent amount of QB movement and draws. If you watch a few more games of him (I'd recommend the Seattle game, it was fantastic) it's pretty easy to see he isn't operating an offense designed for Tom Savage. 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: KC and Philly are the other examples. They are basically running Smith’s college offense (even though they’ve slowed some). There are college concepts all over the place with Wentz too. All 3 of those QBs have been in the MVP conversation this year. Yeah, that's where I was originally going to go with my post, but I didn't want to toot my own horn The top 5 ratings I've issued this year (as of last night) are: Brady Wentz Wilson Watson Smith 4 of those 5 are averaging ~5 carries and ~25 yards per game and the other one's named Brady.
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 32 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: One of Peterman's strengths is purported to be accuracy. Not here with a throw OOB that provided no chance for Holmes to make a play. The pocket is totally clean here! At least he found the man coverage
26CornerBlitz Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: At least he found the man coverage The ball boy? 1
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The ball boy? A bit shocked they haven't tried Vlad at QB. How much they love him. LOL 1
Bills Pimpin' Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 48 minutes ago, TuelTime said: I don't see how starting a guy who is not ready to start in the NFL, and may not even be a capable backup is a "big picture" move. Peterman should ride the bench until we're mathematically eliminated, and see if he can secure a backup spot next TC. After that horrendous 1st half of football, signing Kaepernick to backup Taylor for the rest of the year would make the Bills a better football team. No it wouldn't.
Bills Pimpin' Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 59 minutes ago, JM2009 said: Could lose the locker room. "Peterman will be as good as TT in a couple of weeks". Wow. That's all I can say to this. It never ends. You said Peterman would be better right away. At least you are backtracking a little now.lolAnd you don't start a rookie fifth round pick when the playoffs are very much a possibility in a weak AFC. A terrible move that could lose the locker room. 1. You've never set foot in that locker room or any locker room as far as I know. "Lose the locker room" is a way over used cliche and when uttered by delusional fans is even worse. 2. Tyrod Taylor is not going to be the difference of whether this team makes the playoffs. In fact there is no proof Tyrod would have fared any different in the first half of the game on Sunday. In fact it was eerily similar to the first half at home versus the Saints. 3. I already think Peterman has more upside than Tyrod so I am not backtracking on that. I do think he will be better given the opportunity. 4. Tyrod was a sixth round pick so please stop comparing these players by draft status. 5. Tyrod is done in Buffalo regardless of your opinion and my opinion. It's time to move on especially for the emotional folks like yourself.
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 58 minutes ago, TuelTime said: I don't see how starting a guy who is not ready to start in the NFL, and may not even be a capable backup is a "big picture" move. Peterman should ride the bench until we're mathematically eliminated, and see if he can secure a backup spot next TC. After that horrendous 1st half of football, signing Kaepernick to backup Taylor for the rest of the year would make the Bills a better football team. If you are making the point that Kaep has more talent and would upgrade the back up position I agree. Whether it makes us a better team is unknown. By that standard we could sign Manziel, Tebow or the broke down skeleton of RGIII and upgrade the backup position on skill alone. Bringing in really any of those guys however is a huge distraction and it's just not worth it for a 2nd team guy. However I'd like to hear why we haven't brought in guys like McGloin or Nassib for a looks see. They aren't the answer either but one thing is certain...neither is as bad as Peterman.
grb Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I posted this before and it needs to be posted again for the people with blinders. Yes Nate sucked with 5, But he is not the only one. Many QB's are on the list 3, 4 and 5 times Player INT's In One Game Steve DeBerg 7 TAM Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. SF 49ers, September 7, 1986 Ken Stabler+ 7 OAK Oakland Raiders vs. Denver Broncos, October 16, 1977 Joe Namath+ 6 NYJ New York Jets vs. Houston Oilers, October 15, 1967 Vinny Testaverde 6 TAM Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Minnesota Vikings, October 23, 1988 Joe Namath+ 6 NYJ New York Jets vs. Baltimore Colts, October 18, 1970 Peyton Manning 6 IND Indianapolis Colts vs. San Diego Chargers, November 11, 2007 Brett Favre+ 6 GNB Green Bay Packers vs. St. Louis Rams, January 20, 2002 Ryan Fitzpatrick 6 NYJ New York Jets vs. Kansas City Chiefs, September 25, 2016 Chris Chandler 6 STL St. Louis Rams vs. Carolina Panthers, December 12, 2004 Heath Shuler 5 WAS Washington Redskins vs. Arizona Cardinals, October 16, 1994 Jay Cutler 5 CHI Chicago Bears vs. SF 49ers, November 12, 2009 Ben Roethlisberger 5 PIT Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, October 8, 2017 Tony Romo 5 DAL Dallas Cowboys vs. Buffalo Bills, October 8, 2007 Joe Flacco 5 BAL Baltimore Ravens vs. Buffalo Bills, September 29, 2013 Ken Stabler+ 5 OAK Oakland Raiders vs. Miami Dolphins, December 10, 1978 Ken Stabler+ 5 OAK Oakland Raiders vs. New York Jets, October 21, 1979 Troy Aikman+ 5 DAL Dallas Cowboys vs. New York Giants, October 15, 2000 Ken Stabler+ 5 HOU Houston Oilers vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, September 7, 1980 Ken Stabler+ 5 HOU Houston Oilers vs. Seattle Seahawks, October 5, 1980 Tony Romo 5 DAL Dallas Cowboys vs. Chicago Bears, October 1, 2012 Brett Favre+ 5 GNB Green Bay Packers vs. Cincinnati Bengals, October 30, 2005 Drew Brees 5 NOR New Orleans Saints vs. Atlanta Falcons, November 29, 201 Thats a given the way the defense has been playing. We Taylor supporters have much to learn from the Cult of Nathan. None of us ever tried tying ourselves into such convoluted knots to excuse the inexcusable. Our Nathanist brethren can teach us a great deal about proper cult-like dedication......... Edited November 21, 2017 by grb
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said: In fact there is no proof Tyrod would have fared any different in the first half of the game on Sunday. Say what? The most INTs Tyrod has thrown in a season is 6, and you think there's no proof he wouldn't have thrown 5 in the first half of a single game?
reddogblitz Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 28 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said: No it wouldn't. Yes it would.
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