SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Just now, BigBuff423 said: And I'm sure we all know this, effectively....but statistically, they're still "in the hunt", so based on semantics alone was more my statement. But, I can't disagree with your overall idea. They are 1/2 game out as they are tied with Baltimore. The AFC is pretty weak, well so is most of the NFL because of the plethora of meh QB's. McDermott has decided to wait on making that call until he can give Sunday’s game film a full review. “I’m going to evaluate,” he said. “I’m going to take my time and evaluate.” A one half game disaster is not enough to come to a complete and confident evaluation.
BigBuff423 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: They are 1/2 game out as they are tied with Baltimore. The AFC is pretty weak, well so is most of the NFL because of the plethora of meh QB's. McDermott has decided to wait on making that call until he can give Sunday’s game film a full review. “I’m going to evaluate,” he said. “I’m going to take my time and evaluate.” A one half game disaster is not enough to come to a complete and confident evaluation. I was referring to your reply to me that the playoffs were out of reach at the end of the JETS game....if we're talking Peterman, I don't what's there...I do think if the Bills want to make the playoffs this year, they're probably better with Tyrod, even though I am really not a Tyrod fan at all! I've wanted a different QB since mid-way through his first year in Buffalo, but given the fiasco that was Peterman and the abysmal Offensive line, I suppose Tyrod is better suited for that mess....
Scott7975 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 52 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I guess we will see the season is over they mind as well keep trotting the rookie out there and see if he can work threw it. I think that both sides of the argument make good points. My opinion is they should start Tyrod. To me it all depends on what the staff's mindset is. If it's to win as many games as possible they should start Tyrod. If their goal is to basically forget about this season and just evaluate players than start the rookie. Either way they should make up their minds and not play QB carousel. If they start the kid and he throws 10 interceptions then too bad stick with him anyways because that's the decision they made.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 42 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I guess we will see the season is over they mind as well keep trotting the rookie out there and see if he can work threw it. I was trying to refrain from comment, because truth be told, I do NOT have the heart for a stats research project right now, and I don't like to blow off my opinion without facts to back it up. But I have to throw this out Not just you, Maj Bobby, but to everyone who has this opinion "might as well": winning and losing, are both to some degree habits. When your team gets behind, do you rev it up or give it up? Do you put your body on the line with a whole heart, or do you phone it in and save yourself? I believe that outcomes would show that "bad for Bradford" "suck for Luck" and similar tank campaigns, are rarely successful in building a championship team, because while the team may succeed in getting that cherished 1st round pick, they succeed in building a losing culture in the rest of the team at the same time. The teams that look on-track to be strong this year, are not necessarily the teams that sucked and drafted high last year or the year before. They're the teams that were "meh" and brought in the right coach/GM, identified the pieces they needed, and went for them. Philly would be a good example - 7-9 in 2015, changed coach, changed GM, went all-in after a QB, 7-9 last year but showed flashes, looking good so far this year. LA Rams might be another - at 4-12 they weren't bad enough to draft high, but traded up for Goff, and also put in what may be the right pieces at HC, OC and DC I'm trying to think of an example of a team that totally sucked, drafted a QB #1, and totes turned it around in 1-2 years after tanking. Anyone?
Stank_Nasty Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: yeah OK sure, I believe that. beat me to it right. becuz I wanted to see them lose..... you're a freaking lost cause dude. I've stated repeatedly i'm not tied to taylor. I wanted a freaking qb drafted at 10 last year and wanted one early in 18 regardless of if taylor was solid or not. it was a horrible move. I stated my case for that all week and got flamed by you and others that used small sample sizes of taylor to form your arugments. all claiming that anyone that didn't like the move obviously hadn't been watching. just becuz I wasn't in favor of the benching doesn't mean I wanted to see a loss.... that's ridiculous. I even came on here and posted a fun video of the "it takes 2" parody for Peterman. i'm always all in on the starter for this team. if Peterman goes this week i'll root for him to win yet again while totally disagreeing with the move becuz its the wrong one..... you cant seem to grasp that concept. Edited November 20, 2017 by Stank_Nasty
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: They are 1/2 game out as they are tied with Baltimore. The AFC is pretty weak, well so is most of the NFL because of the plethora of meh QB's. McDermott has decided to wait on making that call until he can give Sunday’s game film a full review. “I’m going to evaluate,” he said. “I’m going to take my time and evaluate.” A one half game disaster is not enough to come to a complete and confident evaluation. Well, I've seen enough. The kid is a disaster
zow2 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 You gotta start Tyrod this week. If they throw Peterman out there at KC, that's a joke and not fair to him or the team. If they want to start him again it has to be a home game in the friendly confines. 1
Tatonka68 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) Tyrod is Garbage, Petermen is an unknown, one bad game does not define you. Season is over lets see what we got. Its 3rd and 12 and Tyrod throws a five yard pass to Tolbert. Edited November 20, 2017 by Tatonka68
TheFunPolice Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) Mike McCoy is a friend of McDermott and was his #1 choice for OC He is available. Dennison has made every aspect of the offense worse, and has shown that he is stubborn and inflexible, as he hastened the end for Manning by forcing him to play under center and "play the offense" after he set records the years before under McCoy and Gase Maybe that's part of it. Edited November 20, 2017 by TheFunPolice
Reed83HOF Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Goes to show this team is a bigger mess than most everyone either realized or wanted to admit. The defense overachieved and came back down to what their talent level really is - not good. Lawson is not a pass rusher, Kyle is old; Dareus didn't care (his replacements blow); Hughes is Hughes; Lorax, Humber & Brown not great LBs; DBs - Hyde, White, Gaines & Poyer are good, and the rest are trash. The offense is what it always has been - terrible OL: Glenn when healthy is good, Richie is good but aging, Wood is serviceable but aging, the right side has been a disaster forever; RBs after Shady horrendous he is aging as well; TE Clay cannot stay healthy, backups aren't great - QB & WRs get their own section QB - TT keeps plays alive because of his ability to duck, dodge, spin and wiggle free - we all see it way too many times each game, it is both an indictment of him missing open WRs and not throwing WRs open and the awful OL. It isn't sustainable. It's also an indictment of awful game planning. Peterman is a rookie playing behind an awful OL against a team with Ingram and Bosa, of course they were going to blitz and force him into errors. Especially with an unhealthy & thin WR corp and a game plan that didn't give him any free outlets to cool the pass rush. No Matthews, Benjamin going out quickly did not help Nate either. In any event, neither of them a starter material who will get you to the promised land. This team is devoid of talent and needs to be gutted. From the beginning this was a year to tear it down and that is what we have done with every move. The FO & McD have tried to make it less painful by keeping some players and jettisoning others. To dump everyone would have pissed off the fan base too much imo and that is why it wasn't geared towards getting rid of everyone, plus you still actually have to put players on the field. Best way to get better is clear cap space and accumulate picks which is what we have done. Expect to see more players let go this offseason for more picks in 2019. . This team has had a bad roster for a long time, with players begin drafted and signed to patchwork a team together under ever-changing schemes and coaches. This year honestly should be about eradicating the stench and starting the rebuild...
starrymessenger Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) From a production standpoint, neither playing Peterman nor Tyrod (assuming Dennison's undiluted WCO) is a good option going forward. And with the D performing at the level that it has recently (and I don't see it improving, this is what they are) what either guy is able to accomplish isn't going to make a difference as to the result. Playing Peterman gives you a better idea of whether he can develop (I know many have already made up their minds). Playing Tyrod is better for Coach's standing in the lockerroom and is an effective hedge against the possibility of further embarassment via total implosion. Flip a coin. I think I would stick with the vet. McD is a rookie himself who has to earn the respect of the players before he gets a bad rep that could haunt him for some time to come. It takes a man to admit his mistake. People can respond favourably to that. There will come a more convenient time to further evaluate Peterman. Edited November 20, 2017 by starrymessenger
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said: I was referring to your reply to me that the playoffs were out of reach at the end of the JETS game....if we're talking Peterman, I don't what's there...I do think if the Bills want to make the playoffs this year, they're probably better with Tyrod, even though I am really not a Tyrod fan at all! I've wanted a different QB since mid-way through his first year in Buffalo, but given the fiasco that was Peterman and the abysmal Offensive line, I suppose Tyrod is better suited for that mess.... They were. I am sorry if you can't see what others do see. Who was the QB we faced under center for the JETS? A career backup that outplayed Taylor.? Taylor isn't the answer. Why else do you think he got benched?
Xerx Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 I don't even know how this is a question... Seriously, does anyone believe Peterman gives the Bills a better chance at winning Sunday in Arrowhead? Really believe that? 5-5, still "in the hunt" Owe it to the players in the room that got sold on "win now and the future". Tyrod Haters are like the Rico's and Rex's of the world, believe their is one way to play the game, their way. Only thing they know. If the QB doesn't play they way they believe the QB position should be played, they hate him. Tyrod has his warts for sure, but he's also proven to be capable of winning games, not losing games and directing a top-10 offense. Stop trying to fit his round peg into your square closed mind. See the uniqueness of this talent and abilities. We should be building around his strengths, focusing on them, exact same as the OL needs to be running a scheme that fits their strength and down the line. Why Tyrod needs to fit a bad scheme for him because you haters feel that's the only way to play the position is mind boggling. 2
jrober38 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Goes to show this team is a bigger mess than most everyone either realized or wanted to admit. The defense overachieved and came back down to what their talent level really is - not good. Lawson is not a pass rusher, Kyle is old; Dareus didn't care (his replacements blow); Hughes is Hughes; Lorax, Humber & Brown not great LBs; DBs - Hyde, White, Gaines & Poyer are good, and the rest are trash. The offense is what it always has been - terrible OL: Glenn when healthy is good, Richie is good but aging, Wood is serviceable but aging, the right side has been a disaster forever; RBs after Shady horrendous he is aging as well; TE Clay cannot stay healthy, backups aren't great - QB & WRs get their own section QB - TT keeps plays alive because of his ability to duck, dodge, spin and wiggle free - we all see it way too many times each game, it is both an indictment of him missing open WRs and not throwing WRs open and the awful OL. It isn't sustainable. It's also an indictment of awful game planning. Peterman is a rookie playing behind an awful OL against a team with Ingram and Bosa, of course they were going to blitz and force him into errors. Especially with an unhealthy & thin WR corp and a game plan that didn't give him any free outlets to cool the pass rush. No Matthews, Benjamin going out quickly did not help Nate either. In any event, neither of them a starter material who will get you to the promised land. This team is devoid of talent and needs to be gutted. From the beginning this was a year to tear it down and that is what we have done with every move. The FO & McD have tried to make it less painful by keeping some players and jettisoning others. To dump everyone would have pissed off the fan base too much imo and that is why it wasn't geared towards getting rid of everyone, plus you still actually have to put players on the field. Best way to get better is clear cap space and accumulate picks which is what we have done. Expect to see more players let go this offseason for more picks in 2019. . This team has had a bad roster for a long time, with players begin drafted and signed to patchwork a team together under ever-changing schemes and coaches. This year honestly should be about eradicating the stench and starting the rebuild... I agree with this. Prior to this season I thought the Bills had one of the worst rosters in the NFL. Somehow we over achieved the first 7 weeks, and since then we've looked like on of the 3-4 worst teams in the league which is what I expected all along. This roster is a mess. Our OL is below average (why on Earth is Ducasse still on the field), we have zero talent at WR without Benjamin, we don't have a competent backup running back, and our defense is a complete dumpster fire. We can't stop the pass or the run, and we have no pass rush whatsoever. Lawson looks mediocre at best, Kyle looks washed up, we have no depth or upcoming talent at DT and our linebackers are all useless. The Bills are one of the worst teams in the league right now. I'm not sure they'll win more than 1 or 2 of their remaining games.
GoBills808 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I agree with this. Prior to this season I thought the Bills had one of the worst rosters in the NFL. Somehow we over achieved the first 7 weeks, and since then we've looked like on of the 3-4 worst teams in the league which is what I expected all along. This roster is a mess. Our OL is below average (why on Earth is Ducasse still on the field), we have zero talent at WR without Benjamin, we don't have a competent backup running back, and our defense is a complete dumpster fire. We can't stop the pass or the run, and we have no pass rush whatsoever. Lawson looks mediocre at best, Kyle looks washed up, we have no depth or upcoming talent at DT and our linebackers are all useless. The Bills are one of the worst teams in the league right now. I'm not sure they'll win more than 1 or 2 of their remaining games. If it weren't for all those turnovers early on, I doubt we'd be feeling as bad as we do right now. Damn this team for getting our collective hopes up season after season.
jkirchofer Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 It doesn't matter who starts next week, Kareem Hunt is going to run over this defense. That being said, I think McDermott starts Peterman.
PolishDave Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, jkirchofer said: It doesn't matter who starts next week, Kareem Hunt is going to run over this defense. That being said, I think McDermott starts Peterman. Kareem Hunt possibly sets new NFL single game rushing record. Should be a real pleasure witnessing that. (sarcasm)
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, jkirchofer said: It doesn't matter who starts next week, Kareem Hunt is going to run over this defense. That being said, I think McDermott starts Peterman. If he is playing on a short field all game because of turn overs, he has no chance of setting a record
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