Bill from NYC Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I actually thought the Offensive line outside of Mills, was decent last year. Enter McDermott and his buddy Juan Castillo with the untouchable Vlad Ducasse and this is what we get. Another case of fixing things that aren't broken. It's what the Bills do best. I did not. The RT spot was painfully bad and Miller is overrated in my respectful opinion. Wood, imo is OK but overpaid. Incog is good but getting old. Glenn is a very good LT, when healthy. I have said ad nauseum that run blocking is the easy part of OL play. Blockers know the count and can fire out. The rough part is pass protection when they are backing up and getting hit. Ducasse and Mills are a recipe for a serious injury for most qbs other than Tyrod. It is ugly.
Billsfan1972 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 To see the current results somehow 26% still think Peterman should start vs. KC...... Astounding......
26CornerBlitz Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) Edited November 20, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz
plenzmd1 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: To see the current results somehow 26% still think Peterman should start vs. KC...... Astounding...... Did Peterman have anything to do with the two poundings this team took before yesterday? The 7 points and 3 point outings Taylor put up? You cant say it was idiotic to bench Taylor based solely on the Saints game, but then with absolute certainty that Peterman is cooked after a 1/2 of a game! 1
Repulsif Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 I don't post often because english is not my native language, and I don't provide interesting information nobody knows here. I don't have an expert eye like you and I didn't read the 18 previous pages (sorry), but my 2 cents is : about Peterman INTS : tipeed hit on delivering (?) hit on delivering hit on delivering wrong route (+ hit on delivery ?) so I din't see a man completly lost on field, happy passing guy ; it could have been 4 sack and then what would be your opinion ? the guy is too slow to deliver the ball ? We all asked the QB to get rid of the ball. That's what we got yesterday... I also I didn't have the metrics on how many time did he had to deliver before he got hit, if someone could provide that... I don't know what to think then. Despite the fact I like TT, we all know what the Bills are going with him : somewhere 7-9 ~ 9-7 with a chance to sneak into playoffs then immediatly be demolished. I want a freaking Superbowl won. At least once in my life. If the objective is playoffs, then they should start TT until out of contention. Other case, start again Peterman, and let him start until he gets ugly by himself
BeginnersMind Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: To see the current results somehow 26% still think Peterman should start vs. KC...... Astounding...... It reflects more of a "who gives a hoot at this point" than any vote of confidence in Tyrod. If they had a 3rd option, I'd vote for him. Logan Thomas? Whoever starts in KC is in for a looooooooooooooong day. Just now, Repulsif said: I don't post often because english is not my native language, and I don't provide interesting information nobody knows here. I don't have an expert eye like you and I didn't read the 18 previous pages (sorry), but my 2 cents is : about Peterman INTS : tipeed hit on delivering (?) hit on delivering hit on delivering wrong route (+ hit on delivery ?) #1 was totally not his fault. #2 was bad pocket awareness (the rush was in his face) but agreed not entirely his fault. The next two were entirely on him, and the worst part was the out route was thrown so weakly and short that the DB had all day to make the INT. You can't make excuses. Bad QBs don't have 5 INT days. He was a total debacle and I don't want to see him again for years, if ever. He looked like a 5th round pick who will be out of the NFL in a year.
plenzmd1 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Whoever starts in KC is in for a looooooooooooooong day. 1 i dunno, they have lost 4 of last 5 no?
Woodman19 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: It reflects more of a "who gives a hoot at this point" than any vote of confidence in Tyrod. If they had a 3rd option, I'd vote for him. Logan Thomas? Whoever starts in KC is in for a looooooooooooooong day. #1 was totally not his fault. #2 was bad pocket awareness (the rush was in his face) but agreed not entirely his fault. The next two were entirely on him, and the worst part was the out route was thrown so weakly and short that the DB had all day to make the INT. You can't make excuses. Bad QBs don't have 5 INT days. He was a total debacle and I don't want to see him again for years, if ever. He looked like a 5th round pick who will be out of the NFL in a year. The second and 3rd interceptions are tough for me because he had receivers getting separation on deep routes and he was potentially half a second short of TD passes. Such is the margin of error in the NFL.
BeginnersMind Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: i dunno, they have lost 4 of last 5 no? The Bills are the perfect antidote to the Chiefs' losing streak. Edited November 20, 2017 by BeginnersMind
HamSandwhich Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 2 hours ago, mannc said: If they start NP next week, there will be an open revolt in that locker room. It is not gonna happen. You don't give the players any credit? You don't think that they have the capacity to understand it could have been a bad day at the office? They see him in practice, I'm sure he's not throwing picks all day long. I agree with the other guy, I found myself saying, you cant take him out after half. You got to let the rook work it out. Historically bad yes, but one half does not define any player.
Woodman19 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 I'm pretty sure a team that can't tackle, tips passes and can't block has no right to demand anything from the coach and that's not a Nate or Tyrod thing. 1
plenzmd1 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: The Bills are the perfect antidote to the Chiefs' losing streak. o God yes, thought the one silver lining yesterday was KC losing and thinking maybe that pick gets in the top 15 somehow, but then I looked at their schedule and they have 3 AFC East games left, Denver and Oakland. They ain't losing more than 1 of those games.
Cripple Creek Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, WideRightRevenge said: For only one reason ... improve our draft position .... bottom line .. we don't have a QB ... so why piss away the couple wins Tyrod gets and move down the draft board ... in the rare chance we make the playoffs .. .do we really think this team stands ups to 2 games vs. the Pats? There OL is as bad as I can recall ... between Jets sacks and what we saw yesterday ... DL .... Shaq Lawson actually touched the QB with the ball in his hand ... WOW. We knew when McD and Beane were brought in .. we had a long way to go ... don't let the first 5 wins (a surprise to many on this board .... please look at preseason win estimates) think we were something we're not ... not yet ... all you had to do is look at the roster. Lastly ... not the subject of this thread .. but Sammy is doing nothing in LA ... so stop saying that was a stupid trade. It was a bad trade up draft pick ... better to move on. This, 1000 times, this.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 36 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: It reflects more of a "who gives a hoot at this point" than any vote of confidence in Tyrod. If they had a 3rd option, I'd vote for him. Logan Thomas? Whoever starts in KC is in for a looooooooooooooong day. #1 was totally not his fault. #2 was bad pocket awareness (the rush was in his face) but agreed not entirely his fault. The next two were entirely on him, and the worst part was the out route was thrown so weakly and short that the DB had all day to make the INT. You can't make excuses. Bad QBs don't have 5 INT days. He was a total debacle and I don't want to see him again for years, if ever. He looked like a 5th round pick who will be out of the NFL in a year. Number 1 was definitely partially his fault - he threw it too hard. Watch the replay at full speed. What did we learn? He has a quick release. He also was absolutely terrible when under pressure. The 4th pick he stared down a receiver and was baited into it. The 5th one was also incredibly terrible.
Woodman19 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, dneveu said: Number 1 was definitely partially his fault - he threw it too hard. Watch the replay at full speed. What did we learn? He has a quick release. He also was absolutely terrible when under pressure. The 4th pick he stared down a receiver and was baited into it. The 5th one was also incredibly terrible. #1 usually it would just fall to the ground if not caught. Crappy int from a fluke deflection #2 was throwing deep to a receiver having beat single coverage and hit during release #3 same thing but was hit earlier. That one should have just held the ball and taken the sack. #4 as you said, stared down the receiver and made a dumb throw. #5 Either a blown route by the WR or confusion by Nate. Since he had 4 by that point you got to think it was confusion and not the WR.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Woodman19 said: #1 usually it would just fall to the ground if not caught. Crappy int from a fluke deflection #2 was throwing deep to a receiver having beat single coverage and hit during release #3 same thing but was hit earlier. That one should have just held the ball and taken the sack. #4 as you said, stared down the receiver and made a dumb throw. #5 Either a blown route by the WR or confusion by Nate. Since he had 4 by that point you got to think it was confusion and not the WR. 2/3/5 had terrible footwork as well. He was just a mess.
DCBongo Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 I see an upside to this. Start TT, maybe a fire was lit, maybe he will be better on the go forward. Peterman still is salvageable. He did this in his first game at Tenn. He recovered and had a good career at Pitt. That was a heck of a learning experience so I am interested to see what he learned. Meanwhile, hand the reigns back to Tyrod and lets see where we go(or don't go from here). And to those who say Tyrod is gone, let's just see how the season ends. If the Bills want him back, he will be given 16million reasons to stay.
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