TPS Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 There is a lot of info in the other peterman thread(s) that could answer your question.
tonawandarock Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: That's the oc's fault then. Tyrod was the QB, you scheme an offense that plays to his strengths. And now the fans pray for a rookie fifth round pick..... I'm tired of hearing the OC needs to adjust to a TT strengths. I would think a benchmark for an NFL QB is some level of reading a defense and leading a receiver over the middle. Many QB can throw the long ball-that is not a strength. TT only strength to me is his legs-the only reason he is in the NFL IMHO. He had 2 1/2 years to show other strengths with (3) OC and cannot do it-he is the same QB he was in 2015. And i can't watch it anymore! He'll make good money and have a long career coming off the bench-ask Frank Reich. Maybe it's just me... Edited November 18, 2017 by tonawandarock 1
The Now Moment Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: That's the oc's fault then. Tyrod was the QB, you scheme an offense that plays to his strengths. And now the fans pray for a rookie fifth round pick..... They are looking for the QB of the future. I don't think they want to change their coaching staff's scheme because of Tyrod's deficiencies. They want to run a specific system and if he doesn't run it well then he's out. They have put themselves in a position to be able to do that drafting Peterman, who seems to fit the scheme better and having multiple high picks in the draft that they can use to find the right QB for their system. Tyrod would need a completely different system and coaches don't usually want to change their system completely. It's not like Tyrod has proven to be a great QB in the past. 1
LABILLBACKER Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Or does the Bills front office not care about the playoffs? I am not a Tyrod fan. I am more one who has questioned the FO, coaching, OC and play calling (check my threads & posts). Very simply I thought the FO was while not tanking the season, were more then content if they did go 4-12. The great start changed the narrative, but many still liked the talk about McDermott, discipline and their type of player. So now 5-4 and the playoffs on the line with the one winnable game prior to week 14 and they bench Tyrod???? Again if he went out and stunk up the joint vs. LAC you have an easier time convincing the team, fans & national media and still have 6 weeks to audition Peterman, but to do it this week defies logic. I know there is a large segment here chomping at the bit, praying for a good game from Peterman and to be cackling and beating their chests Sunday night, but again why didn't they play this week out? Play this week out? Tyrod was lucky to even be given an extra year. And again he's had several games where he struggled to move this offense. He continues to make the same mistakes that we've seen a million times. This is the perfect time to audition Peterman and I don't even care whether we win or lose tomorrow long as we start developing this kid. I'm in this for the long term, I'm in this for the rebuild.
Bangarang Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 32 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Bingo. They were not sold on TT and the last 2 games were the straw that broke the camels back. Time to salvage the season now and explore the options for 18. I don’t think it was just the last 2 games. I think BB and McD weren’t sold on TT since the moment they got here but he was just our best option at the time and they certainly aren’t going to make a change when this team is winning games eventually being 5-2. The last 2 games were their window of opportunity to make a justifiable change. Now they can say they give him a shot and we’re going in a new direction.
PrimeTime101 Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Or does the Bills front office not care about the playoffs? I am not a Tyrod fan. I am more one who has questioned the FO, coaching, OC and play calling (check my threads & posts). Very simply I thought the FO was while not tanking the season, were more then content if they did go 4-12. The great start changed the narrative, but many still liked the talk about McDermott, discipline and their type of player. So now 5-4 and the playoffs on the line with the one winnable game prior to week 14 and they bench Tyrod???? Again if he went out and stunk up the joint vs. LAC you have an easier time convincing the team, fans & national media and still have 6 weeks to audition Peterman, but to do it this week defies logic. I know there is a large segment here chomping at the bit, praying for a good game from Peterman and to be cackling and beating their chests Sunday night, but again why didn't they play this week out? Tyrod throwing in 2 football games and likely a even worse practice for Taylor isn't enough for them to make the change? I saw Jim Kelly get benched in the first quarter cause of a horrible start then put back in and they won the game. 56-57 yard performance should dictate a change in QB in itself if there is that possibility of a better QB on your team. To me watching Taylor play another garbage game DEFIES LOGIC!
jimmy10 Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 The way I’m rationalizing the switch at QB1 is this: The stakes and pressure are so high and the downside to this blowing up in McDermott’s face is so tremendous. If he’s willing to take such a massive risk at such a questionable time, then he must be confident it will work out.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I don’t think it was just the last 2 games. I think BB and McD weren’t sold on TT since the moment they got here but he was just our best option at the time and they certainly aren’t going to make a change when this team is winning games eventually being 5-2. The last 2 games were their window of opportunity to make a justifiable change. Now they can say they give him a shot and we’re going in a new direction. I was trying to be nice to avoid being accused of having an agenda. We are on the same page
Wayne Cubed Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I don’t think it was just the last 2 games. I think BB and McD weren’t sold on TT since the moment they got here but he was just our best option at the time and they certainly aren’t going to make a change when this team is winning games eventually being 5-2. The last 2 games were their window of opportunity to make a justifiable change. Now they can say they give him a shot and we’re going in a new direction. The Bills and McD hadn’t committed to Tyrod since before this season. So they were never sold on him. Tyrod was nearly a FA, they didn’t pick up the option. Tyrod chose to come back to the Bills while they were looking for other options. When he took a pay cut they probably figured, why not, and then let him see if he can run the offense they want to run. It hasn’t worked, so on to Peterman the Bills go.
Buffalo Boy Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I don’t think it was just the last 2 games. I think BB and McD weren’t sold on TT since the moment they got here but he was just our best option at the time and they certainly aren’t going to make a change when this team is winning games eventually being 5-2. The last 2 games were their window of opportunity to make a justifiable change. Now they can say they give him a shot and we’re going in a new direction. There was talk that they tried to get Hoyer but he turned them down. 11 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I was trying to be nice to avoid being accused of having an agenda. We are on the same page Screw it!!! We did have an agenda and took ridiculous amounts of condescending, sanctimonious BS for it. TT has finally gotten his comeuppance and a QB is actually slated to start the position. And, NP looks better than any rookie/ young guy , at that position we have had in ove a decade..... maybe two?
Mat68 Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 After the preseason I think they felt Peterman was a better fit for the offense. Taylor has his good moments and traits. He hasn't turnover the ball but has wasted multiple turnovers and field position. The defense was able to hide a lot of issues the offense was having by getting a bunch of turnovers. Taylor is not being given an angle to break the pocket and now 2 weeks in a row has been pretty much shut down facing standard zone defenses in passing situations. He is not showing the ability to process the information or at minimum adjusting to the look and figuring out the way to beat it. LAC's defense would give the offense a lot of problems and would have looked the same they did vs the Jets and Saints. Peterman provides the ability for the offense to dictate more to the defense. Short drops will carve through zones that is suppose to be Peterman's strength. So that leads to Peterman being the best option Sunday. The future and draft implications are just gravy. The Bills are no more likely to lose to LaC with Peterman than they were going to win Taylor. In Sports at almost every level, if the younger guy catches the older in ability than the younger guy plays.
#34fan Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 Why the f*** not? A move indicates an organization that's willing to try new things... I'm happy to see the "best chance to win" mentality DIE with guys like Chan Gailey, and Rex Ryan.
reddogblitz Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 50 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Play this week out? Tyrod was lucky to even be given an extra year. And again he's had several games where he struggled to move this offense. He continues to make the same mistakes that we've seen a million times. This is the perfect time to audition Peterman and I don't even care whether we win or lose tomorrow long as we start developing this kid. I'm in this for the long term, I'm in this for the rebuild. This is the crux of the biscuit. Some, like myself, see us in a good position to make a run to end this thing. 6th seed with a full game lead on the pack heading into Sunday's game. Others like you see this as another trip on the rebuild train. The 2019 draft is more important than maybe getting in playoffs this year. I think MCDermott is doing it to win now. Crazy and I disagree but hopefully he's right But what's the rush? We got the kid locked up for another 3 years. Another loss ot two and it's over anyway. Try him out then. 1
cd1 Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Or does the Bills front office not care about the playoffs? I am not a Tyrod fan. I am more one who has questioned the FO, coaching, OC and play calling (check my threads & posts). Very simply I thought the FO was while not tanking the season, were more then content if they did go 4-12. The great start changed the narrative, but many still liked the talk about McDermott, discipline and their type of player. So now 5-4 and the playoffs on the line with the one winnable game prior to week 14 and they bench Tyrod???? Again if he went out and stunk up the joint vs. LAC you have an easier time convincing the team, fans & national media and still have 6 weeks to audition Peterman, but to do it this week defies logic. I know there is a large segment here chomping at the bit, praying for a good game from Peterman and to be cackling and beating their chests Sunday night, but again why didn't they play this week out? There have already been a number of very good reasons to play Peterman THIS WEEK. Plus look at the schedule, if not here where? ALSO: Who was Tyrod Taylor's Offensive Coordinator last season? Quote Sep 16, 2016 - The Bills named Assistant head coach/running backs coach Anthony Lynn as the team's new play caller on offense... If any coach in the NFL knows where TT's weaknesses are - Anthony Lynn knows! McDermott is making Lynn work for money this week.
DisplacedBillsFan Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 Because this really needed another thread?? It's been discussed in detail in the Peterman thread and about 8 others. I'll give the simple answer though. Peterman gives us a better chance to make playoffs.
dulles Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Because, for the second time TT has been benched when the regime decided he wasn’t the guy. The Playoffs were a pipe dream before the season started and still are. The prudent move is to see what your semi promising backup has and set yourself up for next season. This Defense looks shot also. I think #4 might be the biggest reason...We might need more than Trent Dilfer behind center to make the playoffs this year. Let's see if we have something in the kid.
fansince88 Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Me too. You have to get something out of the TO's even if it's just 3 points or better field position at the very least for your defense. Most of the time it was 3 and out.
Dan Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said: There was talk that they tried to get Hoyer but he turned them down. Screw it!!! We did have an agenda and took ridiculous amounts of condescending, sanctimonious BS for it. TT has finally gotten his comeuppance and a QB is actually slated to start the position. And, NP looks better than any rookie/ young guy , at that position we have had in ove a decade..... maybe two? This is my question to the Peterman faithful.... How can you say that? He played 2 series in a blow put game. I just don't understand how/why everyone is so confident that Peterman is the next great QB. 1
BuffaloMatt Posted November 18, 2017 Posted November 18, 2017 Five words. Seven Sacks By The Jets. NP will get the ball out in rhythm, helps OL, Run game and by staying on field the defense. 1
Billsfan1972 Posted November 18, 2017 Author Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, tonawandarock said: I'm tired of hearing the OC needs to adjust to a TT strengths. I would think a benchmark for an NFL QB is some level of reading a defense and leading a receiver over the middle. Many QB can throw the long ball-that is not a strength. TT only strength to me is his legs-the only reason he is in the NFL IMHO. He had 2 1/2 years to show other strengths with (3) OC and cannot do it-he is the same QB he was in 2015. And i can't watch it anymore! He'll make good money and have a long career coming off the bench-ask Frank Reich. Maybe it's just me... Sure make peyton Manning and Tom Brady read option rollout running QBs. Great idea.
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