I'm curious in regards to Tyrod's skill set

[SinatraSinger]

OK, help me out all you posters that think that Tyrod is a viable starting QB.

 

I will admit that I have never played organized football just alot of sandlot football growing up.  I have been watching football for 50+ years.  During those years I have seen great, good, medicore and poor players at every position.  I've been watching Tyrod now for 2.5 years and I do not see how anyone can consider him a viable starter on any NFL team.

 

So what I am looking for is to be educated.  As I said I have not played organized ball and I have found over the years when reading posts on this site as well as others that people that have actually played this game have a better insite when it comes to these sorts of things.

 

So please tell me what strengths and skill set Tyrod has that makes you believe he can be a viable starter in the NFL?

 

Thanks

[tonawandarock]

1) He’s a great scrambler(but he won’t throw unless he scrambles first)

2) He has a great arm(but no accuracy)

3) He can throw short(<5 yd) or long(>50 yd) 

4) He doesn’t throw interceptions(See #3)

5) He’s consistent(170 yds a game,  produces about 11pts. /game)

6) He’s better than EJ Manuel(I guess)

[SinatraSinger]

9 minutes ago, tonawandarock said:

1) He’s a great scrambler(but he won’t throw unless he scrambles first)

2) He has a great arm(but no accuracy)

3) He can throw short(<5 yd) or long(>50 yd) 

4) He doesn’t throw interceptions(See #3)

5) He’s consistent(170 yds a game,  produces about 11pts. /game)

6) He’s better than EJ Manuel(I guess)

Do you think that these make him a viable starter as a QB in the NFL?

 

 

To all I am serious with this question.  I guess I want to know why aproximately half of this board think he has the skills and the other half doesn't.  

[BuffaloMatt]

1 minute ago, SinatraSinger said:

Do you think that these make him a viable starter as a QB in the NFL?

 

 

To all I am serious with this question.  I guess I want to know why aproximately half of this board think he has the skills and the other half doesn't.  

If you want to win 6-8 games a year.

[tonawandarock]

I all seriousness-I don’t believe he is a viable starter.  Along with the bottom 10-12 QB’s in the league.  He’s had 3 seasons to evolve into a quality QB and he’s no better than he ever was.   His accuracy is a big problem.  Intermediate passes are not a a part of his game and he uses his legs to compensate.  That formula will work as a backup coming off the bench but the production is too inconsistent to win on a regular basis.  

 

 

 

[Starr Almighty]

When an opposing teams game plan is to make your QB be a QB that is a very bad sign. Trust me none of the teams the Bills have faced have ever said to beat them we gotta make McCoy be a RB.

[Maine-iac]

If you have Greg Roman or Andy Reid you can score 23 to 26 ppg with a QB like Taylor.  How many games you win depend on if your team can play defense and not get 11 penalties a game, make it's kicks ect.  If you have Hackett, Dennison, Marty ball type 0C's then you probably are going to want a different QB.

[tonawandarock]

Um-didn’t we have Greg Roman as an OC.  Why did he get fired?  

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, tonawandarock said:

Um-didn’t we have Greg Roman as an OC.  Why did he get fired?  

He got fired because NFL protocol says an 0-2 start in year 2 of a HC tenure = must offer up a coordinator for sacrifice. Rex wasn't going to fire his windbag brother D.C. and certainly wouldn't can himself. Therefore GR had to go. 

[Maine-iac]

Roman/Lynn same offense and Roman coached for a whole season prior to that.  You think Dennison will  come any where near what Roman/Lynn scored?  Do you think next year he will?  Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Greg Roman always put up points.  Dennison put up 20 and 22 ppg before coming here.  0ur defenses gave up more points than his offenses were scoring .............. if you want two good insights as to why we lost last year and why we will continue to lose now.

[Boatdrinks]

56 minutes ago, SinatraSinger said:

Do you think that these make him a viable starter as a QB in the NFL?

 

 

To all I am serious with this question.  I guess I want to know why aproximately half of this board think he has the skills and the other half doesn't.  

 

He has the skills to run a specifically structured offense that minimizes his flaws as a passer. You can still win games that way, but it requires a strong defense that generates turnovers, gives up TDs grudgingly and solid ST's. Most NFL coordinators aren't interested in such a player because all rules now favor the pass and emphasize having a QB that can take advantage. Half of fans are ok with the former and the other half want to find a good passing QB that will stay in the pocket and deliver the ball on time to playmaking WRs. It's kind of going with the devil you know, as opposed to the one you don't know and don't know where to find. 

[BobChalmers]

1. He throws a good deep ball when he has time and a fast WR.

2. He tends to protect the ball.

3. He's a good leader (as far as we can tell).

4. His scrambling ability does challenge opposing DC's.

 

It's not nothing.  He's been proven to be a "legitimate" NFL starter, and he has a winning record with an organization that has not had one in a long time.

 

IMO that's not enough - and I wanted Peterman to start ever since the Ravens preseason game.  TT lacks accuracy, doesn't understand (or otherwise can't execute) timing with receivers' routes, and is among the slowest in the league at getting rid of the ball.  All of that adds up to 3-and-outs and a lot of sacks.

Edited November 17, 2017 by BobChalmers

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Roman/Lynn same offense and Roman coached for a whole season prior to that.  You think Dennison will  come any where near what Roman/Lynn scored?  Do you think next year he will?  Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Greg Roman always put up points.  Dennison put up 20 and 22 ppg before coming here.  0ur defenses gave up more points than his offenses were scoring .............. if you want two good insights as to why we lost last year and why we will continue to lose now.

 

 I do not. Dennsion is a middling choice as an OC at best, and wasn't the first or even second choice for the job by all accounts. If Roman/ Lynn were currently the Bills OC , fans likely wouldn't even be having this discussion. Taylor would absolutely be doing a better job in that offense. However, changes were made and this is what the Bills currently have. I think the Offense could be far more productive with Peterman at the helm than Taylor, especially at this point when there is plenty of film and the flaws are out there for all to see. 

[Maine-iac]

10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

 

He has the skills to run a specifically structured offense that minimizes his flaws as a passer. You can still win games that way, but it requires a strong defense that generates turnovers, gives up TDs grudgingly and solid ST's. Most NFL coordinators aren't interested in such a player because all rules now favor the pass and emphasize having a QB that can take advantage. Half of fans are ok with the former and the other half want to find a good passing QB that will stay in the pocket and deliver the ball on time to playmaking WRs. It's kind of going with the devil you know, as opposed to the one you don't know and don't know where to find. 

I like Taylor.  People get that and hate that which is fine.  If we had a Rogers type prospect on the bench or had slid out of the playoff hunt I wouldn't even bat an eye at them yanking Taylor. 

5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

 

 I do not. Dennsion is a middling choice as an OC at best, and wasn't the first or even second choice for the job by all accounts. If Roman/ Lynn were currently the Bills OC , fans likely wouldn't even be having this discussion. Taylor would absolutely be doing a better job in that offense. However, changes were made and this is what the Bills currently have. I think the Offense could be far more productive with Peterman at the helm than Taylor, especially at this point when there is plenty of film and the flaws are out there for all to see. 

That's my issue with pulling Taylor.  I don't think they'll be better with Peterman because of Dennison.  I think in a best case scenario you'll see the 2015/2016 Broncos.  That's with KB because the Broncos have good recievers.  Taylor has played most of the year in that turd offense with guys off the street.

 

Edited November 17, 2017 by Maine-iac

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Maine-iac said:

I like Taylor.  People get that and hate that which is fine.  If we had a Rogers type prospect on the bench or had slid out of the playoff hunt I wouldn't even bat an eye at them yanking Taylor. 

 Well sure ,if only they had a Rodgers type prospect. I like Taylor too, but I expected a decline in the offense this season due to the changes that were made and Tyrods limitations in running such an offense. There was a chance he could make a big leap, but unlikely at this point. Perhaps some hate Taylor but I'm not sure why. He is what he is. I give the coaches credit in trying to save the season and make the playoffs instead of waiting until it was too late with Tyrod at QB. Switching after that made little sense to me. Taylor isn't a good fit for this type of offense. 

[Maine-iac]

He really looked pretty damn good the Jets game.  A lot of fumbles, penalties, bad clock management.  The Saints game was a dumpster fire.  I just don't see Peterman while there's still a chance at playoffs.   Everything was going great up until the Jets game and the wheels essentially came off the defense not the offense.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

2 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

He really looked pretty damn good the Jets game.  A lot of fumbles, penalties, bad clock management.  The Saints game was a dumpster fire.  I just don't see Peterman while there's still a chance at playoffs.   Everything was going great up until the Jets game and the wheels essentially came off the defense not the offense.

 

so you're saying the last two games had nothing to do with the offense and everything to do with the defense?

 

hot take

 

not to really insult you, but you must be blind. it fell on both sides of the ball

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

He really looked pretty damn good the Jets game.  A lot of fumbles, penalties, bad clock management.  The Saints game was a dumpster fire.  I just don't see Peterman while there's still a chance at playoffs.   Everything was going great up until the Jets game and the wheels essentially came off the defense not the offense.

 The wheels came off the defense , but don't overlook what was happening on the other side of the ball. Teams decided to keep Tyrod in the pocket and he couldn't beat them. An ex QB and an ex DB were both saying he needs to throw the ball here or he needs to go to the one on one on the outside. Tyrod will not or cannot take what defenses are now giving him. McD expected more of the same from Lynn, who used to make game plans around Tyrods limitations. If the Bills lost to the Jets 38-35 and the Saints 40- 30 this move is probably not made. It doesn't matter what fans think, McD didn't believe he could win with Taylor anymore . 

[Maine-iac]

I was talking about the Jets game.  I said as much.  Go back and look at it.  The offense was moving the ball.  The defense was getting gashed.  So no insult taken.  You read it/misunderstood it or weren't watching.

3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

 The wheels came off the defense , but don't overlook what was happening on the other side of the ball. Teams decided to keep Tyrod in the pocket and he couldn't beat them. An ex QB and an ex DB were both saying he needs to throw the ball here or he needs to go to the one on one on the outside. Tyrod will not or cannot take what defenses are now giving him. McD expected more of the same from Lynn, who used to make game plans around Tyrods limitations. If the Bills lost to the Jets 38-35 and the Saints 40- 30 this move is probably not made. It doesn't matter what fans think, McD didn't believe he could win with Taylor anymore . 

He didn't beat them because of bad clock management, multiple fumbles, and the defense giving up 200 yards rushing.  He played the QB position well in that game and most said the same after the game. 

 

ps the response merging .............. do multiple posts take up too much space on the internet?

Edited November 17, 2017 by Maine-iac

[K D]

Lol even the people that like Tyrod admit that you need a good defense and good special teams to win. That doesn't sound like a good QB to me