Tiberius Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 And the flood gates are open http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/361635-two-additional-woman-accuse-franken-of-groping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 6 hours ago, Rob's House said: Franken admitted it. I tend to look at the strength of the evidence rather than my opinion of the accused. I think the only thing Franken admitted to the validity of that photo that he said was a joke he now finds tasteless. He says that he doesn't remember the forced kissing accusation with the first accuser or grabbing the second accuser's rear in a photo at the Minnesota State Fair. I guess two more women have come forward today. Did you go through all of Trump's 16 accusers individually and determine that all of the accusers were lying? I think they're both perverts, but I can't prove it in either case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: I think the only thing Franken admitted to the validity of that photo that he said was a joke he now finds tasteless. He says that he doesn't remember the forced kissing accusation with the first accuser or grabbing the second accuser's rear in a photo at the Minnesota State Fair. I guess two more women have come forward today. Did you go through all of Trump's 16 accusers individually and determine that all of the accusers were lying? I think they're both perverts, but I can't prove it in either case. Well...there IS a photo of Franken being a pervert. I think that counts as proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Well...there IS a photo of Franken being a pervert. I think that counts as proof. Then Trump's Access Hollywood audio tape would count as proof too imo. Trump said the tape was locker room talk and Franken said the photo was a tasteless joke. Both are easy to spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Then Trump's Access Hollywood audio tape would count as proof too imo. Trump said the tape was locker room talk and Franken said the photo was a tasteless joke. Both are easy to spin. If a picture paints 1000 words then Trump * 200 = Franken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Don't worry................. We can all look forward to the the lib newsroom editorials, in twenty years. saying that "Al Franken should have resigned" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 12 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Then Trump's Access Hollywood audio tape would count as proof too imo. Trump said the tape was locker room talk and Franken said the photo was a tasteless joke. Both are easy to spin. Terrible comparison. Franken took pictures with his hands on the girl. Trump was obviously not speaking about a specific instance or he would have said "I grabbed her right in the kitty". His comment was the equivalent of some guy in a passing car yelling "!@#$ her right in the kitty!" Were his statements incredibly tasteless? Yup. Is Trump a total dirtbag with women? Almost certainly. But that instance was the standard media mischaracterization of anything Trump said during the campaign (a la 'all Mexicans are rapists') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 any man with a brain and no pointless axe to grind sees what Trump's situation was, nobody would want their lockerroom chat to be taped and released. totally harmless and America reacted maturely and elected him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 13 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Then Trump's Access Hollywood audio tape would count as proof too imo. Trump said the tape was locker room talk and Franken said the photo was a tasteless joke. Both are easy to spin. Who'd Trump molest in that tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Just now, row_33 said: any man with a brain and no pointless axe to grind sees what Trump's situation was, nobody would want their lockerroom chat to be taped and released. totally harmless and America reacted maturely and elected him I've heard literally every close male friend I've had since I was 13 say something more crude than anything Trump said on that tape. Any guy who says he was 'shocked' by what Trump said is an outright liar. Any women who says that is either a liar or incredibly naive about the mind of a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 good to see the common sense of Pasta Joe and KD and myself the last few days, to name a few when is Mr. Al sitting there on a committee acting like he's holier than the Pope and Dali Lama again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 46 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Who'd Trump molest in that tape? The Left, obviously. 51 minutes ago, KD in CA said: I've heard literally every close male friend I've had since I was 13 say something more crude than anything Trump said on that tape. Any guy who says he was 'shocked' by what Trump said is an outright liar. Any women who says that is either a liar or incredibly naive about the mind of a man. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Only CNN and CBS got really shocked, and they are all getting fired for their behaviour. It probably was shocking to hear that a man actually wanted intercourse with another woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 15 hours ago, DC Tom said: Well...there IS a photo of Franken being a pervert. I think that counts as proof. Trump basically endorsed a child molester, so that tops Franken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: Who'd Trump molest in that tape? Nobody but it didn't help Billy Bush. I don't know how the relationship was between Franken and the first accuser and maybe he really thought the photo would be funny to both him and the first accuser. I doubt it, but I don't know. Both the photo and tape lend me to believe both are guilty of at least some of the charges against them. I can't prove either, but I'm not going to give Trump a pass because the Clinton's and the media are corrupt scumbags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 When someone tells me that a 3rd party has talked trash about me, I choose to feel the worst about the rat who is telling me this info. Billy Bush found out that man's witty little schemes for glory don't always turn out the way one wants to... heh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Nobody but it didn't help Billy Bush. I don't know how the relationship was between Franken and the first accuser and maybe he really thought the photo would be funny to both him and the first accuser. I doubt it, but I don't know. Both the photo and tape lend me to believe both are guilty of at least some of the charges against them. I can't prove either, but I'm not going to give Trump a pass because the Clinton's and the media are corrupt scumbags. WAAHHH! Dude, this isn't going to bring down Trump. He won't resign over this. Give it up. You aren't going to convince anyone to change their mind about this. Move on to the next outrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 3 hours ago, OJABBA said: WAAHHH! Dude, this isn't going to bring down Trump. He won't resign over this. Give it up. You aren't going to convince anyone to change their mind about this. Move on to the next outrage. No kidding. He was elected despite it and I don't want him to resign (he's done nothing wrong) as Congress would pry get more done with Pence in office. I just find it odd people on here are so quick to dismiss the charges against Trump and embrace the charges against Franken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Doc Brown said: No kidding. He was elected despite it and I don't want him to resign (he's done nothing wrong) as Congress would pry get more done with Pence in office. I just find it odd people on here are so quick to dismiss the charges against Trump and embrace the charges against Franken. Because Trump has gotten tons of tail, and Franken is ugly. Trump's clip sounds like a guy playfully (if tastelessly) exaggerating how easy it is for a famous, incredibly wealthy, good looking guy to pick up women. He has a long history of being with beautiful women, and his actions come across as an arrogant douchebag boasting (which he obviously is). Trump's personality doesn't strike me as the type that forces himself on women against their will, but rather as someone who would revel in dismissing a woman that had spurned his advance. He would probably just "grab" the women's best friend instead, as a petty revenge. Trump has needed to reject women and advances from them, for most of his life. Like, there are too many for him to deal with. Like, he's had to sift through the abundance of his surroundings, evading gold diggers, plotters, and opportunists as best he can, to decide which of the beautiful women availing themselves to him, are worth the time (and risk) to have sex with. Franken on the other hand...his actions are familiar to anyone that knows not so attractive, sexually awkward males that might get creepy when they attain a position with a little power. According to the woman, she pointedly rejected Franken's advances and he persisted, then later took the "pretending to grope a sleeping woman" photo. Franken comes across as a weak, desperate nerd (which he probably is). Franken...well, I doubt he's had to reject many beautiful women's advances. And if you are honest with yourself, and stop the hand-wringing over Trump, and stop trying to dream up reasons and excuses why Trump shouldn't be president, you will admit that you understand the differences between the two men, the very different situations, and the sexual marketplace dynamics at play. And no, I don't think Franken should resign. Donald Trump Al Franken Edited November 24, 2017 by OJABBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 24, 2017 Author Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 hours ago, OJABBA said: Donald Trump Swimmin in b*tches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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