JM2009 Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 18 hours ago, George C said: Schopps goal seems to be making the playoffs. Making the playoffs without a chance of advancing to the Super Bowl is a joke. The goal is building a contender, and that’s not happening with Taylor. 17 year drought is the joke. And that could end this season in a very weak AFC, and this move could cost that. SB-lol. 1
Marty McFly Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 22 hours ago, joesixpack said: ooooh are you mad, too? If this is only the beginning, where does it end? I hope it ends with us getting a new OC and QB this offseason. Dont think well make the playoffs with this defense regardless which qb starts. 20 hours ago, Klaista2k said: Schopp is an idiot. I can't tell if he really believes Taylor is THAT good or if he's just trying to get people to call into WGR. He literally just said "do you think the Bills benched him because management is scared they'll make the playoffs and then have to cut him". LOL Thats a valid thought tho. You know u wanna draft a QB high this year. An average to below average qb gets you a wc spot at 9-7 this year. How is it gonna look if the 1st qb to lead you to the playoffs in 17 years gets cut? Its a real issue. This defense isnt good enough to carry us there anyway but its valid.
Boatdrinks Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 4 hours ago, Marty McFly said: I hope it ends with us getting a new OC and QB this offseason. Dont think well make the playoffs with this defense regardless which qb starts. Thats a valid thought tho. You know u wanna draft a QB high this year. An average to below average qb gets you a wc spot at 9-7 this year. How is it gonna look if the 1st qb to lead you to the playoffs in 17 years gets cut? Its a real issue. This defense isnt good enough to carry us there anyway but its valid. It would look like the team made the playoffs in a year with a weak field and a very limited quarterback. Upgrading the QB wouldn't be a shock to anyone who thinks the team should aspire to something more than sneaking into a WC berth.
Bangarang Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 The only thing Schopp cares about is being right. He gets off on it. Fortunately for him, the people that call his show are usually total dolts that it’s not very hard for him to be right.
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: The only thing Schopp cares about is being right. He gets off on it. Fortunately for him, the people that call his show are usually total dolts that it’s not very hard for him to be right. Buy Ryan a few drinks one of these days and get him talking lol
Boatdrinks Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 5 hours ago, JM2009 said: 17 year drought is the joke. And that could end this season in a very weak AFC, and this move could cost that. SB-lol. Why do you think the Bills coach, after evaluating all the game film should believe that Tyrod Taylor will suddenly start beating teams from the pocket? Is he going to change into a different player overnight? He's trying to win a football game and his former starting QB has been figured out by opposing DC's. What's the alternative?
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 5 hours ago, Marty McFly said: Thats a valid thought tho. You know u wanna draft a QB high this year. An average to below average qb gets you a wc spot at 9-7 this year. How is it gonna look if the 1st qb to lead you to the playoffs in 17 years gets cut? Its a real issue. This defense isnt good enough to carry us there anyway but its valid. Um, after watching the Panthers game and the last two games, do you really think TT is an "average" QB who could get us a 9-7 WC spot? You say "valid" I sadly say "delusional"
tonawandarock Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 17 year drought is a joke-18 is no worse. no one cares about the drought but bills fans. getting blown out in a playoff game(after the last games this could happen) with TT at starting does not help this team long term. he has shown no progress in the 3 yrs he has started! zilch! starting NP is win-win in my opinion. if he wins some games and show some ability-WIN! if he craps the bed we get a higher draft pick-WIN! 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, Boatdrinks said: Why do you think the Bills coach, after evaluating all the game film should believe that Tyrod Taylor will suddenly start beating teams from the pocket? Is he going to change into a different player overnight? He's trying to win a football game and his former starting QB has been figured out by opposing DC's. What's the alternative? ....wouldn't that be adjusting your vaunted scheme to fit the talent you have to work with?......Schwartz came in with a defensive scheme in mind BUT adapted it to the personnel he had to work with and ended up in the Top Five......IF, IF you're a good coach that is how it SHOULD work......from my associations/affiliations with the team, there was a Sunday where two or three backup QB's threw for 300+ yds, racking up "W"'s" which Pegula saw on ESPN......Rex and Roman were walking by his office after another Buffalo "L" just prior to the London game and TP called them in....'Why the hell can't OUR team do this"?....neither had an answer and walked out...he doesn't meddle but plays close attention....but don't sell him short on knowing when your perceived norm isn't working, you adapt by changing....Dennison?....stay tuned, but so far....NOT.....
par73 Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 He must have Taylor on some of his 20 or so fantasy teams.
Steptide Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 Schoop is unlistenable these last few days. He sounds kind of like a miserable person in general, but since they announced they were starting Peterman, he sounds like his wife just left him 1
Boatdrinks Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....wouldn't that be adjusting your vaunted scheme to fit the talent you have to work with?......Schwartz came in with a defensive scheme in mind BUT adapted it to the personnel he had to work with and ended up in the Top Five......IF, IF you're a good coach that is how it SHOULD work......from my associations/affiliations with the team, there was a Sunday where two or three backup QB's threw for 300+ yds, racking up "W"'s" which Pegula saw on ESPN......Rex and Roman were walking by his office after another Buffalo "L" just prior to the London game and TP called them in....'Why the hell can't OUR team do this"?....neither had an answer and walked out...he doesn't meddle but plays close attention....but don't sell him short on knowing when your perceived norm isn't working, you adapt by changing....Dennison?....stay tuned, but so far....NOT..... That sounds good, but we all knew this was not going to happen. Personally, I called it before the season started. I said the running game would take a big step back ( though many on this board felt otherwise) because this OC isn't an innovator or one who is going to be willing to scheme around a limited quarterback such as Taylor. I thought this staff would be ok with Tyrod IF he could run the WCO. I felt the chances of this were slim and actually was surprised that Dennison put as many things in for Taylor as he did. In his defense ( I'm not a Dennsion fan thus far) MOST NFL coaches are like this. Rex , for example is a one system coach. Wade Phillips is one of the few coaches ( defensive I know ) who will run whatever the players are most suited for whether a 4-3 or 3-4. Roman was willing to devise schemes to hide Taylor's flaws, but this staff are not innovators. There is not a Watkins type WR to give Taylor a downfield threat, or demand extra coverage. They don't have the personnel to do the few things Taylor can do well. They need a QB that can work the intermediate routes. Taylors time in Buffalo was on the clock as soon as Anthony Lynn went out the door. Expecting this staff to be different than most NFL assistant coaches is just not being realistic. It's great in theory , but rarely happens.
Fadingpain Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 6 hours ago, Bangarang said: The only thing Schopp cares about is being right. He gets off on it. Fortunately for him, the people that call his show are usually total dolts that it’s not very hard for him to be right. This fact seems to have been lost on many commenters in this thread. Most of the callers are shockingly unintelligent people. When a rare good one comes along, Schopp is usually complimentary and respectful of the caller, even if the caller disagrees with Mike. He is looking for the caller to be logical, support assertions with facts or statistic, etc. Mike usually says "nice job" at the end of such a call. Schopp is just looking for some narrative tension to keep the show interesting. Constant agreement makes for boring radio. 1
Marty McFly Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Um, after watching the Panthers game and the last two games, do you really think TT is an "average" QB who could get us a 9-7 WC spot? You say "valid" I sadly say "delusional" Average to below average? Yeah i said it. Thats where he plays at. Hes either average or below averwge on game day. The thought that he could win vs SD, MIAx2, and IND with strong defensive play is very valid, weve already beat better teams than those this year. Does it matter anymore? No. We need to draft a qb high this year period. Im not sold on petermen or this defense, we need a lot of talent we arent even close to being that good. 7 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: It would look like the team made the playoffs in a year with a weak field and a very limited quarterback. Upgrading the QB wouldn't be a shock to anyone who thinks the team should aspire to something more than sneaking into a WC berth. Right, We get it cuz we've been watching the games. We kno tyrod cant execute this scheme well at all. To the outside media tho, it would look real billsy, thats my point.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 On 11/15/2017 at 3:26 PM, joesixpack said: It'll be ok, little buddy, I promise Right there with you, he is such a douche. Last year he hates Tyrod but this year he loves him.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 On 11/15/2017 at 3:56 PM, thenorthremembers said: I agree, I walked away from the last week's game with the same feeling I had when I watched E.J. play Jacksonville in London, I cant watch this guy play another down in the NFL. Schopp is hurt because he put his neck out three weeks ago to write about how Tyrod is better than everyone thinks. You'd think with all the football the guy has watched over time he would understand stats dont tell the entire story. E.J. also threw more touchdowns than he did interceptions, didnt mean he could play quarterback with anything short of ineptitude. Dopp doesn't believe in culture either even though it's working in Philly, Carolina and KC. On 11/15/2017 at 4:00 PM, joesixpack said: He's gotten plenty political in the past. Was practically crying day after election. The best part of the election was watching libtards cry in agony
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 On 11/15/2017 at 5:05 PM, PromoTheRobot said: There is no way race played a role in Tyrod's benching. I can't believe Schopp would go there. I can , he secretly wishes he was black.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 On 11/15/2017 at 5:30 PM, Bad Things Man said: Schopp is a dope. Sounds like a person who never played sports in his life. Sucks that he gets away with being so condescending and dismissive to his call-ins. He has never played sports (Mayne some little league stuff) an is why he so annoying, because he rips on things like momentum, culture, and fundamentals. To which we who played know these things are important and there is more to the game than anal-lytics. On 11/15/2017 at 6:14 PM, T-Bomb said: Because 103.3 plays crap all the time on my drive home from work. What happened to the Edge?? They used play real rock and metal and now they are gay as Hell.
Ol Dirty B Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Dopp doesn't believe in culture either even though it's working in Philly, Carolina and KC. The best part of the election was watching libtards cry in agony I'm a conservative but wow... You must be really intelligent. You changed Schopp, to Dopp? Clever, too me a minute to get that won. And what is your point about Culture? How's it working in Philadelphia or Carolina? Even KC that doesn't really apply, but I'd love to hear. Please explain to this conservative that you'd call a libtard, which is really, again, pathetic. People believe other things than you, get over it. You seem like a arrogant child, but it's more likely just an uneducated adult. 11 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: He has never played sports (Mayne some little league stuff) an is why he so annoying, because he rips on things like momentum, culture, and fundamentals. To which we who played know these things are important and there is more to the game than anal-lytics. He's never ripped on fundamentals. Momentum and culture are for the most part facades. You never played sports either. I mean maybe you did at some High School. But that doesn't count. You don't know what you're talking about. Fundamentals are a completely different aspect of the game versus momentum and culture nonsense. I don't buy into that **** either, it's for the mentally weak. Edited November 17, 2017 by Ol Dirty B
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: I'm a conservative but wow... You must be really intelligent. You changed Schopp, to Dopp? Clever, too me a minute to get that won. And what is your point about Culture? How's it working in Philadelphia or Carolina? Even KC that doesn't really apply, but I'd love to hear. Please explain to this conservative that you'd call a libtard, which is really, again, pathetic. People believe other things than you, get over it. You seem like a arrogant child, but it's more likely just an uneducated adult. Because McDermott is using the culture he learned from Philly and Carolina and and Andy Reid who is in KC, and they are winning what's not to understand? And how did I call you a libtard? That comment was clearly directed at Mike schopp, don't see how you can miss that. Obviously if you're conservative your not mentally challenged liberal. Edited November 17, 2017 by Buffalo Barbarian
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