Nfl.com: Potential landing spots for Tyrod Taylor

[K-9]

14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Then he just lied to him on Sunday. He really hasn’t been treated very well.

Lied to him? Really? 

 

Here was a head coach who just witnessed an historic asswhoopin' on the heels of another asswhoopin' 10 days earlier,  without the benefit of a film review of the game, being asked by a reporter bent on looking for an angle, if he was gonna bench TT and he answered that TT was still his starting QB. Given that context I don't think it was a lie at all. And I think they arrived at this decision only after a very rational breakdown of the film. To accuse him of lying is specious, imo. 

 

I also don't think this decision was made strictly on the basis of TT's poor play as this team, after two embarrassing losses was in a tailspin and moves like this can often galvanize a team. Although it was under different circumstances, I see similarities to when Todd Collins made his first start for Kelly in '96. They had just come off an embarrassing drubbing vs. the Steelers on Monday night and they were reeling. And while Collins was kept in restraints by Levy, the O line and defense put hurting on the Cowboys that day. They found something to rally around. It's risk to be sure, but totally understandable on many levels. 

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

You're right he's not playing. He might back up somewhere, at this point he's not better than any starter, he just got benched for a 5th round rookie. What other starters have been benched for 5th round rookies and have gone on and been effective elsewhere? (Bledsoe wasn't benched)

Understand the market and then come back and talk to me. I’ll make a deal if he is guaranteed less than $10M I will never post here again. If he is guaranteed over $10M you never post here again. You in?

 

Also, fwiw go look at the Bills at New England in 2004 and see if he was benched. Come back with your findings...

Edited November 15, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[PromoTheRobot]

If Tom Savage can get a starting job, Taylor certainly will.

[K-9]

13 minutes ago, Billznut said:

He’s due 18 mil next season. Zero chance the Bills will pay him that much to be a backup. He ain’t coming back. 

I don't think that's etched in stone yet. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, K-9 said:

Lied to him? Really? 

 

Here was a head coach who just witnessed an historic asswhoopin' on the heels of another asswhoopin' 10 days earlier,  without the benefit of a film review of the game, being asked by a reporter bent on looking for an angle, if he was gonna bench TT and he answered that TT was still his starting QB. Given that context I don't think it was a lie at all. And I think they arrived at this decision only after a very rational breakdown of the film. To accuse him of lying is specious, imo. 

 

I also don't think this decision was made strictly on the basis of TT's poor play as this team, after two embarrassing losses was in a tailspin and moves like this can often galvanize a team. Although it was under different circumstances, I see similarities to when Todd Collins made his first start for Kelly in '96. They had just come off an embarrassing drubbing vs. the Steelers on Monday night and they were reeling. And while Collins was kept in restraints by Levy, the O line and defense put hurting on the Cowboys that day. They found something to rally around. It's risk to be sure, but totally understandable on many levels. 

I don’t know how you can say that’s anything but a lie?

[Big Gun]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Understand the market and then come back and talk to me. I’ll make a deal if he is guaranteed less than $10M I will never post here again. If he is guaranteed over $10M you never post here again. You in?

Sure thing 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, PeterGriffin said:

Sure thing 

Someone keep track of this. By March either Peter Griffin or I will be gone forever. 

[K-9]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t know how you can say that’s anything but a lie?

It's anything BUT a lie. Do you not have any feel for the context of that statement at the time it was given? For someone who has a working knowledge of professional sports environments, I'm surprised you think McDermott deliberately lied to TT (it was the press he was speaking to, btw) immediately after seeing his team get pounded for the second consecutive game when responding to a loaded question from a reporter. Even if he did know he was benching TT at that moment (I doubt he did) it would have been a BIGGER disservice to TT to announce his decision at that time in that fashion. And I suspect you'd have even less respect for McD than you do now as a result. 

[Pirate Angel]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Bledsoe far better?!? Please, please, please make that argument: 

 

His first year with the bills he averaged almost 300 yards a game passed for over 4000 thats like a career for tyrod .it was never questioned that Drew was a true #1 qb in this league untill age caught up with him, his touch on his passes are by far better than tyrods not to mention Drew could throw a slant , a fade, and an out route. Drews major flaw was that he was a statue in the pocket which is the only part of tyrods game that is superior

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

It's anything BUT a lie. Do you not have any feel for the context of that statement at the time it was given? For someone who has a working knowledge of professional sports environments, I'm surprised you think McDermott deliberately lied to TT (it was the press he was speaking to, btw) immediately after seeing his team get pounded for the second consecutive game when responding to a loaded question from a reporter. Even if he did know he was benching TT at that moment (I doubt he did) it would have been a BIGGER disservice to TT to announce his decision at that time in that fashion. And I suspect you'd have even less respect for McD than you do now as a result. 

“We will evaluate everyone and do what’s in the best interest of our football team.” That’s a true statement. Coaches dance around things all of the time. You don’t gain credibility in the locker room by saying one thing and doing another. We hear the word “trust” a lot. McDermott didn’t gain trust here.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, kdiggz said:

could see him end up in Jax or Denver

 

 

...landing in Denver with OC McCoy would be far better than in Jax with Hackett IMO....although Bortles is having an epiphany of late.....

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, BILLriant said:

His first year with the bills he averaged almost 300 yards a game passed for over 4000 thats like a career for tyrod .it was never questioned that Drew was a true #1 qb in this league untill age caught up with him, his touch on his passes are by far better than tyrods not to mention Drew could throw a slant , a fade, and an out route. Drews major flaw was that he was a statue in the pocket which is the only part of tyrods game that is superior

Stack their bills careers side-by-side and it’s not even close. We have this perception that Bledsoe was good here -he wasn’t. He played 8 good games with the Bills and then was one of the worst QBs in the league. Drew sucked with the Bills. 

Edited November 15, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[K-9]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

“We will evaluate everyone and do what’s in the best interest of our football team.” That’s a true statement. Coaches dance around things all of the time. You don’t gain credibility in the locker room by saying one thing and doing another. We hear the word “trust” a lot. McDermott didn’t gain trust here.

We are talking past each other. But if "coach speak" is what it is, then they lie all the time. I thought you knew better. 

[Big Gun]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Someone keep track of this. By March either Peter Griffin or I will be gone forever. 

Good luck dude, you've been wrong about Taylor and wrong about Peterman this whole time. 

You've propped up Taylor as something way way better than he is and have poo pooed Peterman as some after thought 5th rounder who would never get a chance and might be a backup, maybe. 

I'm not worried one bit.

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, K-9 said:

We are talking past each other. But if "coach speak" is what it is, then they lie all the time. I thought you knew better. 

Of course I do but I understand “building a culture” and that’s not how you do it. Trust is important. Do you think that they are excited about this in the locker room??? 

2 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

Good luck dude, you've been wrong about Taylor and wrong about Peterman this whole time. 

You've propped up Taylor as something way way better than he is and have poo pooed Peterman as some after thought 5th rounder who would never get a chance and might be a backup, maybe. 

I'm not worried one bit.

No, I just understand the league. Read Greg Rosenthal or PFF or Ross Tucker or anyone else that analyzes football for a living. Taylor is an average starter on a team in the playoffs currently. I am just excited that you’ll disappear in a few months. I’m right WAY MORE OFTEN than I’m wrong when it comes to the Bills. 

[Big Gun]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Of course I do but I understand “building a culture” and that’s not how you do it. Trust is important. Do you think that they are excited about this in the locker room??? 

No, I just understand the league. Read Greg Rosenthal or PFF or Ross Tucker or anyone else that analyzes football for a living. Taylor is an average starter on a team in the playoffs currently. I am just excited that you’ll disappear in a few months. I’m right WAY MORE OFTEN than I’m wrong when it comes to the Bills. 

Oh, of course you do, and nobody else does right? Please!

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, PeterGriffin said:

Oh, of course you do, and nobody else does right? Please!

I’m one of the only people here that’s worked in the league. I’d say that I understand it better than the majority of people having seen it from all sides. 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Lied to him? Really? 

 

Here was a head coach who just witnessed an historic asswhoopin' on the heels of another asswhoopin' 10 days earlier,  without the benefit of a film review of the game, being asked by a reporter bent on looking for an angle, if he was gonna bench TT and he answered that TT was still his starting QB. Given that context I don't think it was a lie at all. And I think they arrived at this decision only after a very rational breakdown of the film. To accuse him of lying is specious, imo. 

 

I also don't think this decision was made strictly on the basis of TT's poor play as this team, after two embarrassing losses was in a tailspin and moves like this can often galvanize a team. Although it was under different circumstances, I see similarities to when Todd Collins made his first start for Kelly in '96. They had just come off an embarrassing drubbing vs. the Steelers on Monday night and they were reeling. And while Collins was kept in restraints by Levy, the O line and defense put hurting on the Cowboys that day. They found something to rally around. It's risk to be sure, but totally understandable on many levels. 

 

That 1996 one is a good example.   That TEAM needed a shakeup......they were listless and underachieving and needed a spark. 

 

Anyone who thinks the last two losses are Taylor's fault is probably working with a pretty serious agenda.........but this organization DEFINITELY has a chronic mid-season problem.  

 

It's been their undoing time and again.

 

It's like they get overwhelmed and go flat for a 3-4 game stretch around November and at the end of the year they are wondering how they ended up 7-9 when some teams they seem better than are in the postseason.

 

One season or multiple it has happened to Jauron and Gailey and Marrone and Rex.........it's become a right of fall.   Many of us were waiting on this.   It's like the old baseball teams that would whither in the dog days of summer.

 

  

[dave mcbride]

21 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Lied to him? Really? 

 

Here was a head coach who just witnessed an historic asswhoopin' on the heels of another asswhoopin' 10 days earlier,  without the benefit of a film review of the game, being asked by a reporter bent on looking for an angle, if he was gonna bench TT and he answered that TT was still his starting QB. Given that context I don't think it was a lie at all. And I think they arrived at this decision only after a very rational breakdown of the film. To accuse him of lying is specious, imo. 

 

I also don't think this decision was made strictly on the basis of TT's poor play as this team, after two embarrassing losses was in a tailspin and moves like this can often galvanize a team. Although it was under different circumstances, I see similarities to when Todd Collins made his first start for Kelly in '96. They had just come off an embarrassing drubbing vs. the Steelers on Monday night and they were reeling. And while Collins was kept in restraints by Levy, the O line and defense put hurting on the Cowboys that day. They found something to rally around. It's risk to be sure, but totally understandable on many levels. 

Um ... Taylor didn't play badly against the Jets. 

[K-9]

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Of course I do but I understand “building a culture” and that’s not how you do it. Trust is important. Do you think that they are excited about this in the locker room??? 

 

We won't know that until we see how Peterman performs and how they respond.