Cugalabanza Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) Republicans are willing to turn on Roy Moore without delay because they didn't like the guy to begin with and viewed him as a liability. They say they believe the accusers. Is it plausible for them to hold the position of disbelieving all these women? Ninni Laaksonen (former Miss Finland) – says Trump grabbed her butt during a taping of the Late Show with David Letterman in 2006. Jessica Drake (porn actress) – says Tump grabbed her, kissed her without her consent and offered her $10,000 for sex, at a Lake Tahoe golf tournament, in 2006 Karena Virginia (random person on the street) – says Trump came up to her while she was waiting for a car to leave the US Open in 1998. Says that Tump came up to her saying, “Hey look at this one! Look at those legs!” Then he grabbed her arm and touched the inside of her right breast before asking, “Don’t you know who I am?” Cathy Heller (guest at Mar-a-Lago) – says Trump grabbed her, went for a kiss and got mad when she pulled away. Then Trump said, “oh, come on” and held her while he kissed her on the side of the mouth. This was with her husband, in-laws and children present, at a Mother’s Day brunch, around 1997. Summer Zervos (contestant on The Apprentice in 2007) – says Trump assaulted her several times, including kissing her, grabbing her breasts without her consent. Kristin Anderson (girl at a Manhattan nightclub, aspiring model) – says Trump reached up her skirt and touched her vagina through her underwear. Early 1990’s. Jessica Leeds (airplane passenger) – says Trump lifted the armrest between them on the plane and grabbed her breasts and put his hand up her skirt without her consent. Early 1980’s. Rachel Crooks (receptionist at Trump Tower) – says that upon being introduced to Trump in 2005, he would not let go of her hand after a handshake and began to kiss her cheeks then her mouth against her will. Mindy McGillivray (Mar-a-Lago concertgoer) – says Trumped grabbed her butt in 2003. Natasha Stoynoff (journalist) – says that while she was interviewing Trump at his home in Palm Beach, he pinned her against a wall and kissed her, forcing his tongue in her mouth. 2005. Jennifer Murphy – (contestant on The Apprentice, 2005) – says Trump pulled her face to his and kissed her on the lips after a job interview. Cassandra Searles (Miss Washington 2013) – says Trump grabbed her ass and invited her to his hotel room. Also said that Tump made beauty contestants repeat a line-up for him “so he could get a closer look at his property.” “Jane Doe” (anonymous accuser) – says Trump raped her at a party when she was 13, in 1994. Temple Taggart McDowell (Miss Utah) – says Trump, upon first meeting her in 1997, kissed her directly on the lips without her consent. Jill Harth (worked with Trump in the 90’s) – says Tump sexually harassed her repeatedly, including once groping her under the table in 1993. Ivana Trump (ex-wife) – says Tump commited spousal rape in 1989. She later softened her account and said she was not accusing him of a crime. Edited November 15, 2017 by Cugalabanza 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 however you get your jollies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: however you get your jollies.... Seemed like a legit question to ask. Please tell me why you think the issue can be dismissed so casually. And, why are one person's jollies ok to scrutinize while another's are off limits somehow? Edited November 15, 2017 by Cugalabanza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Seemed like a legit question to ask. Please tell me why you think the issue can be dismissed so casually. And, why are one person's jollies ok to scrutinize while another's are off limits somehow? You're scrutinizing accusations, not behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: You're scrutinizing accusations, not behavior. Ok, but the accusations against Roy Moore are, generally, believed and those against Donald Trump are dismissed. Seems like the difference has to do with political expediency much more than it has to do with the actual merits of the claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Cuga, you aren't a very good troll, you are a good poster on here when you aren't just trolling for your jollies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Ok, but the accusations against Roy Moore are, generally, believed and those against Donald Trump are dismissed. Seems like the difference has to do with political expediency much more than it has to do with the actual merits of the claims. Of course it does. Doesn't mean my point doesn't stand. Just means people are idiots. Most people don't know ehat they don't know, and would rather have one heartfelt outrage than be faced with ten facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, row_33 said: Cuga, you aren't a very good troll, you are a good poster on here when you aren't just trolling for your jollies... I'm not trolling. It's a legit question. If the answer is that these claims against Trump are frivolous, then that's an answer. But it's worth talking about. Why do you keep trying to make this personal? It's not about me. I'm trying to have a discussion. I think it's kind of nuts that I'm being called a troll here. Maybe you don't like my general point of view or you don't like me. But I'm not a troll. I've never been that here. Sometimes I make jokes. Sometimes I defend myself when others make personal attacks. Sometimes I make points in order to spark discussion. I'm not a !@#$ing troll. I've been around here 14 years. You've been here since March. Dial back the righteous bull **** a bit. Edited November 15, 2017 by Cugalabanza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 So, yeah, this is essentially trolling because if this was dealing with ethics of Obama or Hillary, both of which have been proven to be less than stellar I don't think you'd bat an eye. And I believe Roy Moore innocent because 1) i don't care. 2) he needs to be proven not innocent for me to believe it. As far as Trump, see above for Roy Moore. You also must remember that no matter who is (*^*&%^$^#in chief they'll get attention and a target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Come talk to me after you've torn down the legacies of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 go figure the JFK new info is all about MLK.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Cugalabanza said: Republicans are willing to turn on Roy Moore without delay because they didn't like the guy to begin with and viewed him as a liability. They say they believe the accusers. Is it plausible for them to hold the position of disbelieving all these women? Ninni Laaksonen (former Miss Finland) – says Trump grabbed her butt during a taping of the Late Show with David Letterman in 2006. Jessica Drake (porn actress) – says Tump grabbed her, kissed her without her consent and offered her $10,000 for sex, at a Lake Tahoe golf tournament, in 2006 Karena Virginia (random person on the street) – says Trump came up to her while she was waiting for a car to leave the US Open in 1998. Says that Tump came up to her saying, “Hey look at this one! Look at those legs!” Then he grabbed her arm and touched the inside of her right breast before asking, “Don’t you know who I am?” Cathy Heller (guest at Mar-a-Lago) – says Trump grabbed her, went for a kiss and got mad when she pulled away. Then Trump said, “oh, come on” and held her while he kissed her on the side of the mouth. This was with her husband, in-laws and children present, at a Mother’s Day brunch, around 1997. Summer Zervos (contestant on The Apprentice in 2007) – says Trump assaulted her several times, including kissing her, grabbing her breasts without her consent. Kristin Anderson (girl at a Manhattan nightclub, aspiring model) – says Trump reached up her skirt and touched her vagina through her underwear. Early 1990’s. Jessica Leeds (airplane passenger) – says Trump lifted the armrest between them on the plane and grabbed her breasts and put his hand up her skirt without her consent. Early 1980’s. Rachel Crooks (receptionist at Trump Tower) – says that upon being introduced to Trump in 2005, he would not let go of her hand after a handshake and began to kiss her cheeks then her mouth against her will. Mindy McGillivray (Mar-a-Lago concertgoer) – says Trumped grabbed her butt in 2003. Natasha Stoynoff (journalist) – says that while she was interviewing Trump at his home in Palm Beach, he pinned her against a wall and kissed her, forcing his tongue in her mouth. 2005. Jennifer Murphy – (contestant on The Apprentice, 2005) – says Trump pulled her face to his and kissed her on the lips after a job interview. Cassandra Searles (Miss Washington 2013) – says Trump grabbed her ass and invited her to his hotel room. Also said that Tump made beauty contestants repeat a line-up for him “so he could get a closer look at his property.” “Jane Doe” (anonymous accuser) – says Trump raped her at a party when she was 13, in 1994. Temple Taggart McDowell (Miss Utah) – says Trump, upon first meeting her in 1997, kissed her directly on the lips without her consent. Jill Harth (worked with Trump in the 90’s) – says Tump sexually harassed her repeatedly, including once groping her under the table in 1993. Ivana Trump (ex-wife) – says Tump commited spousal rape in 1989. She later softened her account and said she was not accusing him of a crime. For all we know, you could be making this all up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Was Trump's Access Hollywood video fake news ? Important people can grab kitties and in his case go into the Miss Universe dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: Of course it does. Doesn't mean my point doesn't stand. Just means people are idiots. Most people don't know ehat they don't know, and would rather have one heartfelt outrage than be faced with ten facts. Forgive me if I'm a little dense today. What is your point? I honestly can't quite tell. It seems to be that you're just advocating for defeatism. People are idiots. They don't care much about facts. Therefore, no point discussing facts. Or maybe it's just to point out that I'm being naïve somehow? I certainly won't dispute that people are idiots. Maybe it's just too tired of a task to point out the bad behavior of politicians? Is that it? I'm not clear. Edited November 15, 2017 by Cugalabanza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, row_33 said: go figure the JFK new info is all about MLK.... Now this is trolling. Trying to excuse the President today using people that died half a century ago... lame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 22 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Now this is trolling. Trying to excuse the President today using people that died half a century ago... lame Do you laugh as hard over people that died long ago as you do over people who may have died oh say, 5 years or so go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 27 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Do you laugh as hard over people that died long ago as you do over people who may have died oh say, 5 years or so go? what difference, at this point, does it make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 49 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Forgive me if I'm a little dense today. What is your point? I honestly can't quite tell. It seems to be that you're just advocating for defeatism. People are idiots. They don't care much about facts. Therefore, no point discussing facts. Or maybe it's just to point out that I'm being naïve somehow? I certainly won't dispute that people are idiots. Maybe it's just too tired of a task to point out the bad behavior of politicians? Is that it? I'm not clear. It is too tired when you make this argument now, it is too tired when this argument wasn't made 10 years ago, it was too tired when this wasn't made during Clinton or JFK or any other president that has had these type of allegations. Trump was on !@#$ing Howard Stern saying much worse than this, and it wasn't even bad in people are getting butt hurt like you over something that is so ridiculous. Accusations are pointless, you can hold somebody to a higher standard based on accusations if you want but it never works out. I've legitimately been accused of rape twice and I can promise you I've done some things. Butt rape is not ever going to be one of them. Accusations get you nowhere. Even when you go to the police. Even when these types of issues are found to be completely fraudulent or without actual meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 So you list 16 examples.............Names and dates and sometimes a specific site even. But one of your "examples" stands out pretty clearly.....................like a Gator response in a thread of replies. Quote “Jane Doe” (anonymous accuser) – says Trump raped her at a party when she was 13, in 1994. I hate having to defend a douche such as Donald, but throwing that one in there, with the others, is a sign that you cannot take anything from wherever you got your list seriously . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 minute ago, B-Man said: So you list 16 examples.............Names and dates and sometimes a specific site even. But one of your "examples" stands out pretty clearly.....................like a Gator response in a thread of replies. I hate having to defend a douche such as Donald, but throwing that one in there, with the others, is a sign that you cannot take anything from wherever you got your list seriously . But don't you see where there's smoke there's fire... We must investigate this as if this is real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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