eball Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, PolishDave said: Sure. Still doesn't mean they think Peterman is a better player. Maybe they do and maybe they don't. None of us have seen a recent practice or have been privy to the conversations those players have about their QB in private. I think you're splitting hairs. The players know a change is needed, and if Tyrod isn't going to change then give the new guy a chance. The players are much more intuitive about these things than I think the fans and media give them credit for.
THEHARDTRUTH Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Stones or just Stupid? If he's made it because he sees the "TT runs Dennison's offense" experiment as "failed" and thinks Peterman has developed enough to play better, Stonesy, sure If he's made it because according to the Carucci/Schopp conspiracy theories he's afraid we might make the playoffs with Tyrod and then he couldn't manage to send him on down the road but he doesn't want to keep him... Stones. Ive been on the Tyrod bandwagon since day one and he just isnt good enough period exclamation point. Four 200 yard games out of nine. No 300 yard games this year. That kind of play gives you zero chance to compete with the better teams in this league. ZERO CHANCE. Not saying Petermans the answer. I was really shocked at this move. Your not gonna know what you have in Peterman for about 16 games when d coordinators have had a chance to figure him out and counter what he does best. But come on. 56 freaking yards at home when your behind the whole game and really need to throw your way back into the game. That was it for me. Maybe stones isnt the right word. Maybe absolutely nothing to lose in any way shape or form at all on any planet in any universe in any millenium is the right way to say it. I like Tyrod. Seems like a good classy guy but he sucks as a qb. He just got on the journeyman carousel of backup qbs and likely plays for 6 teams over the next 7 years as a backup. Not a bad gig. Hell probably bank another 20-25 million during that time. Maybe more.
PolishDave Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: LeSean McCoy: He’s accurate Buffalo’s feature back noticed this attribute about his fellow Pitt alum all the way back in OTAs. Peterman is pretty consistent when it comes to putting the ball on the money. “He was a surprise to a lot of the players when he got here with his ball placement,” McCoy said. “Each week, his growth, making plays against the defense. He looks good. I think he’s got a lot of talent. I’m anxious to see how he does this week.” Is that privy enough? Just now, Foxx said: "Even since he's gotten here, he's been making some good throws," Hyde said. "Some ballsy throws. He fits the ball in there, makes some good throws. He's smart, so he can read coverages and stuff like that. He has a good arm." "With me, it's just his decision making," defensive end Jerry Hughes said. "For him to be a rookie, just from a defensive lineman standpoint, it just seems he's comfortable in the decisions that he makes and he makes them fast and lives with it." "Nathan's a very instinctual player," Jones said. "I think he doesn't get a lot of credit for his ability, the way that he moves and he moves phenomenally well. He is great out of the pocket as well, he's great in the pocket, throws an accurate ball, a good leader. We were on the same team so it's crazy just how this all has really progressed. I have a lot of confidence in Nate. I know he does in this football team as well so it's just time for us to draw together and come together because like I said earlier our goal is still in sight." I heard the recent accolades too guys. Just saying that is not proof that the players or a majority thereof or the leaders, etc. think that Peterman is a better QB. I think they understand why it is happening. But that is just my opinion. A guess. Like everyone else is doing. Maybe they do think Peterman is better. Maybe they don't.
PolishDave Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, eball said: I think you're splitting hairs. The players know a change is needed, and if Tyrod isn't going to change then give the new guy a chance. The players are much more intuitive about these things than I think the fans and media give them credit for. Yes exactly. It was simply a response to the way you stated that anyone who thinks there is a chance they lose the locker room doesn't understand professional sports. I was disagreeing with the way you stated it as if it was a fact. When in fact you don't know what the players really think. You are guessing like everyone else. I think your guess is probably right. I just didn't like the way you worded it as if people don't understand sports if they disagreed with your "opinion". It is entirely possible that most of the team thinks starting Peterman is a good move and that Peterman is a better QB. The opposite is also entirely possible. Nobody really knows the truth outside of the people in that locker room. All the players are going to say "at least for now" is that Peterman is a great player and he needs to make the most of his opportunity.
Big Gun Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 34 minutes ago, PolishDave said: You are assuming that the players think Peterman is a better Qb than Tyrod. You don't know that. Maybe they do and maybe they don't. Or more likely, some do and some don't. Losing the locker room is a much smaller likelihood now simply because Tyrod sucked donkey balls in the last game. So logically, the decision to start Peterman can be justified. But you don't know what the players are really thinking. My guess is that this next game is going to influence their opinions greatly one way or the other once they play a real game with Peterman at QB. Didn't Hyde call Peterman Nate Favre. Sure doesn't sound like he thinks Nate stinks.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said: Stones. Ive been on the Tyrod bandwagon since day one and he just isnt good enough period exclamation point. Four 200 yard games out of nine. No 300 yard games this year. That kind of play gives you zero chance to compete with the better teams in this league. ZERO CHANCE. Not saying Petermans the answer. I was really shocked at this move. Your not gonna know what you have in Peterman for about 16 games when d coordinators have had a chance to figure him out and counter what he does best. But come on. 56 freaking yards at home when your behind the whole game and really need to throw your way back into the game. That was it for me. Maybe stones isnt the right word. Maybe absolutely nothing to lose in any way shape or form at all on any planet in any universe in any millenium is the right way to say it. I like Tyrod. Seems like a good classy guy but he sucks as a qb. He just got on the journeyman carousel of backup qbs and likely plays for 6 teams over the next 7 years as a backup. Not a bad gig. Hell probably bank another 20-25 million during that time. Maybe more. Aside: Please try to move on from the 300 yds bit, 'kay? Repeat after me: passing yards do not correlate with wins in the NFL. Passing yards.... There are, for sure, "Stones" reasons to move on from Tyrod. I'm just sayin', if the Carucci/Schopp speculation is correct, then it's stupid.
Big Gun Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I am Negan can people please report his spamming? I have him on ignore. Edited November 17, 2017 by PeterGriffin
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 Just now, PeterGriffin said: Didn't Hyde call Peterman Nate Favre. Sure doesn't sound like he thinks Nate stinks. It sounds like the sort of funnin' around nickname players give each other. Coulda been given because Peterman never saw a covered receiver in his life and Hyde has been plucking him like a turkey every practice.
Foxx Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It sounds like the sort of funnin' around nickname players give each other. Coulda been given because Peterman never saw a covered receiver in his life and Hyde has been plucking him like a turkey every practice. erm, i don't think so. Edited November 17, 2017 by Foxx
JohnBonhamRocks Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 I don't mind the mindset of each position is 1/11 of the team, so when one of your 1/11's is producing less than needed - regardless of the other 11 - you make the move to improve that 1/11 if you can. Now, the other 11, the defense, should also be getting mixed up. And they have. Worthy out, Thornton in. Milano seemingly taking over some more snaps. What still boggles my mind is that there is no OG out there better than Ducasse. But I do not mind the QB switch. Gotta take this version of OBD at their word this early in their regime that the move really is to win now. I like that Taylor takes care of the football. I also do not think there is a whole lot of a difference between Taylor not taking a chance and the offense having to punt and Peterman taking a chance and throwing a pick. Either way, we're giving the opposition the ball back - but only one of them has the chance for making a play before that happens.
eball Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, PolishDave said: Yes exactly. It was simply a response to the way you stated that anyone who thinks there is a chance they lose the locker room doesn't understand professional sports. I was disagreeing with the way you stated it as if it was a fact. When in fact you don't know what the players really think. You are guessing like everyone else. I think your guess is probably right. I just didn't like the way you worded it as if people don't understand sports if they disagreed with your "opinion". It is entirely possible that most of the team thinks starting Peterman is a good move and that Peterman is a better QB. The opposite is also entirely possible. Nobody really knows the truth outside of the people in that locker room. All the players are going to say "at least for now" is that Peterman is a great player and he needs to make the most of his opportunity. Meh. I'll stand by the comment. You only "lose a locker room" when you don't make the changes everyone (i.e., the players) knows need to be made. These are highly paid professional athletes -- they don't really care about somebody getting his feelings hurt by being benched. They care if they know a guy isn't performing but the coach keeps throwing him out there rather than giving someone else a chance.
Foxx Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 Just now, eball said: Meh. I'll stand by the comment. You only "lose a locker room" when you don't make the changes everyone (i.e., the players) knows need to be made. These are highly paid professional athletes -- they don't really care about somebody getting his feelings hurt by being benched. They care if they know a guy isn't performing but the coach keeps throwing him out there rather than giving someone else a chance. it sure looked to me like the defense was protesting last weekend. they aren't that bad. 1
THEHARDTRUTH Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Aside: Please try to move on from the 300 yds bit, 'kay? Repeat after me: passing yards do not correlate with wins in the NFL. Passing yards.... There are, for sure, "Stones" reasons to move on from Tyrod. I'm just sayin', if the Carucci/Schopp speculation is correct, then it's stupid. You need to be able to throw the ball if you want to give yourself the best chance to win. Can you win with a marginal passing game? Yes. But having a strong passing game makes you more diverse and more difficult to defend. Ever see a team overcome a 14 point 4th quarter deficit by running the ball 20 straight times? I havent. Our passing game is putrid. Its affecting our ability to run the ball. It needs to change. One other thing. The Carucci/Schopp speculation is moronic. This move was about improving the offense only. Mcdermott has likely been analyzing this for weeks. He didnt think Peterman was ready in week one. He does now. Thats it IMO. No alien spacecraft. Bigfoot didnt stop by to say hi. The yeti wont be shoveling my driveway when we get two feet of snow. Is Mcdermott right? I dont think he even knows. Edited November 17, 2017 by THEHARDTRUTH
THEHARDTRUTH Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 Just got this from a buddy. Hopefully Im not reposting it and hopefully it works. I suck at posting links. 1
PolishDave Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, eball said: Meh. I'll stand by the comment. McCoy's exact words when interviewed immediately after the switch. 29 seconds into the interview "I think everybody was kind of surprised, and nobody new until just today" Doesn't sound like a locker room who knows a change needs to be made at QB and they are just waiting for it to be made. Then when specifically asked about Peterman: Question: Does he look like a guy who can handle this? McCoy "Well, I don't know. I don't think nobody knows that answer." Then McCoy goes on to say the biggest positive thing about it is that He is a Pitt guy. Still doesn't sound like a guy who thought Tyrod should go to the bench for the rookie. At the very end of the interview McCoy says "We'll see if the switch was right." Again, doesn't sound like a guy who was thinking "the Bills need to make a change at QB"
theAteam Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 McCoy is best friends with Tyrod so I wouldn't look to him as someone that will have an unbiased opinion.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, PolishDave said: I heard the recent accolades too guys. Just saying that is not proof that the players or a majority thereof or the leaders, etc. think that Peterman is a better QB. I think they understand why it is happening. But that is just my opinion. A guess. Like everyone else is doing. Maybe they do think Peterman is better. Maybe they don't. It could be just talk hard to tell Sunday at 4 can’t come soon enough.
transplantbillsfan Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 Pure speculation, but I think Dennison came up to McDermott on Monday and expressed his desire for the QB change. Did anyone watch Dennison's PC on Monday? In retrospect, I thought it was interesting the way he talked about what transpired for him the night after the game. He said he called OL coach Waffle in the middle of the night to talk about OL blocking solutions, which is not something he would normally do... at least not in the middle of the night right after the game. But he said he wasn't going to sleep anyway. I think Mcdermott is a really hands off guy when it comes to the offense. More than I thought he might've been. He planned on starting Taylor moving forward Sunday and even Monday, but had a conversation and a lengthy one with Dennison on Monday and went with his OC.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Pure speculation, but I think Dennison came up to McDermott on Monday and expressed his desire for the QB change. Did anyone watch Dennison's PC on Monday? In retrospect, I thought it was interesting the way he talked about what transpired for him the night after the game. He said he called OL coach Waffle in the middle of the night to talk about OL blocking solutions, which is not something he would normally do... at least not in the middle of the night right after the game. But he said he wasn't going to sleep anyway. I think Mcdermott is a really hands off guy when it comes to the offense. More than I thought he might've been. He planned on starting Taylor moving forward Sunday and even Monday, but had a conversation and a lengthy one with Dennison on Monday and went with his OC. Good call transplant. I’d give u a point but I maxed out my 10 reps in 24 hours.
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