BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, dubs said: I get your point, but I hardly think that Bills QBs over the last 17 years is a good benchmark they should measure anything going forward against. I never said it was. But the only way seeing the most winning we've seen during the drought is a raw deal for fans is if the fans wanted to lose more. That statement is one of the silliest implications I've seen, but not surprising considering the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Any concern? dodging shoe thrown at me. I'm well past ready for a change. This will be exciting to see how the new toy works out. concerns? sure. he is a rookie making his first start. one never knows exactly how one will perform once put under the microscope. we shall see. i am cautiously optmistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 18 minutes ago, JM2009 said: 5-4 isn't terrible. He had some pretty nice games in those five wins. Miami is bad, Colts are bad, Chargers are beatable. I want this ridiculous playoff drought to end. Trusting the process means nothing until the playoff drought has ended. The problem is McDermott doesn't believe he had the best chance to beat the Chargers ( a MUST win game) with Taylor at QB. The Chargers were going to play Tyrod the same way as the Jets and Saints. Tyrod is simply never going to be a pocket QB that throws on rhythm, finds the open man, or even throws WRs open. IF they had been able to retain Kromer and were running the GregRoman offense, Taylor would probably be doing better. We all know that's not what happened. The current staff was never married to the idea of Taylor, but were using him as a low risk placeholder QB. The possibility was there that Tyrod could surprise, but I doubt this staff was betting on that happening. He is what he is, and this was always likely to happen, it was just the when not the if. I like that McD is actually trying to win a football game, not worrying about being criticized . He's doing what he believes gives the team the best chance to win, rather than watching the ship sink on the 2017 season because it's the " safe play". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: The problem is McDermott doesn't believe he had the best chance to beat the Chargers ( a MUST win game) with Taylor at QB. The Chargers were going to play Tyrod the same way as the Jets and Saints. Tyrod is simply never going to be a pocket QB that throws on rhythm, finds the open man, or even throws WRs open. IF they had been able to retain Kromer and were running the GregRoman offense, Taylor would probably be doing better. We all know that's not what happened. The current staff was never married to the idea of Taylor, but were using him as a low risk placeholder QB. The possibility was there that Tyrod could surprise, but I doubt this staff was betting on that happening. He is what he is, and this was always likely to happen, it was just the when not the if. I like that McD is actually trying to win a football game, not worrying about being criticized . He's doing what he believes gives the team the best chance to win, rather than watching the ship sink on the 2017 season because it's the " safe play". I hope it works. The O line could get Peterman killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: The problem is McDermott doesn't believe he had the best chance to beat the Chargers ( a MUST win game) with Taylor at QB. The Chargers were going to play Tyrod the same way as the Jets and Saints. Tyrod is simply never going to be a pocket QB that throws on rhythm, finds the open man, or even throws WRs open. IF they had been able to retain Kromer and were running the GregRoman offense, Taylor would probably be doing better. We all know that's not what happened. The current staff was never married to the idea of Taylor, but were using him as a low risk placeholder QB. The possibility was there that Tyrod could surprise, but I doubt this staff was betting on that happening. He is what he is, and this was always likely to happen, it was just the when not the if. I like that McD is actually trying to win a football game, not worrying about being criticized . He's doing what he believes gives the team the best chance to win, rather than watching the ship sink on the 2017 season because it's the " safe play". i think you nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Not sure if anyone has seen this, but I found it on Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 minute ago, jkirchofer said: Not sure if anyone has seen this, but I found it on Facebook. Might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Unless someones 4 year old did that I can't understand why an adult would have wasted their time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 27 minutes ago, Foxx said: concerns? sure. he is a rookie making his first start. one never knows exactly how one will perform once put under the microscope. we shall see. i am cautiously optmistic. I'm in that same boat. and excited. (did I already say that?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Cease Fires Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 If they didn't want TT they should have made this move in the preseason. Another inept decision from yet another inept Bills regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, No Cease Fires said: If they didn't want TT they should have made this move in the preseason. Another inept decision from yet another inept Bills regime. Yes, with Cardale Jones and Nathan Peterman as our QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, No Cease Fires said: If they didn't want TT they should have made this move in the preseason. Another inept decision from yet another inept Bills regime. Or Peterman wasn't ready week 1, but now he is and they think he's the best option at QB. Throwing a rookie to the wolves week 1 before having some time to learn what it is to be NFL player would have been a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Confused as to why everyone now loves Greg Roman - didn’t his O suck until Lynn took over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Heitz said: Confused as to why everyone now loves Greg Roman - didn’t his O suck until Lynn took over? Everything has sucked for the last seventeen years or else we wouldn't be having a 52 page thread about a quarterback change. I don't get the love for Roman, or any of his predecessors, or for Taylor or any of the quarterbacks that came before him (except Flutie, he was the last good one). If Peterman is good, then great, we make the playoffs and we build around him. If he sucks, then we get our franchise guy in the first and then we shed the cap space from Taylor's contract. Win-win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just dreaming and having a little fun here... IF ALL GOES WELL in the next few weeks with NP as the QB (maybe we dont beat KC and NE but if the offense actually is producing and we are still in the playoffs convo or in the playoffs as we currently are)...wouldn't it be fun to see some TT package plays? I know this is a pipe dream because Uncle Rico couldn't even involved these types of plays when TT was actually the QB...but humor me. TT comes in for a few plays a game when we run a KC/PHI style read option...while still having the ability to throw. Less of a "we are scared of TT getting hurt" mentality because he isn't the QB1 anymore. Defenses would have to game plan for the WCO run by Peterman and some type of read option/college spread offense with TT in the game. Could be used situationally, or sometimes in the red zone...man I think it would be tough for a defense/DC to game plan for and then stop. Would add an extra element of the offense heading into the playoffs...would be real nice to see. On a related note...why dont we really see NFL offenses regularly use their weapons in unconventional ways. We are seeing SOME of this with KC/PHI offenses, and the way Oakland has been using that one WR. We saw GB use Montgomery at RB but that was more out of need. Is it because the NFL is too old school to really be innovative anymore? It's disappointing to see a waste of unique skill sets (like having TT sit on the bench for the rest of the season when he is a dynamic athlete that could create headaches if he isn't the QB1).. Ok, carry on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebus Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 More then likely they thought Peterman wasn't ready and they thought they could get Taylor to be something he wasn't. This is still a scary proposition throwing a rookie against a defense that is second in sacks. Another ballsy call by McD. It worked fairly well with the trades before the season and I was doubting of those moves. I'm going to wait to reserve judgement on this one. Taylor is the best quarterback we have had in a long time but, I do see how Taylor is the square peg in the round hole with this offense and Denison has failed to use Taylor appropriately and Peterman may be a better fit for what they are trying to do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, Heitz said: Confused as to why everyone now loves Greg Roman - didn’t his O suck until Lynn took over? No. Roman was scapegoated by Rex and the CoT. 3 hours ago, PaattMaann said: not my argument here but I have to jump in....you CAN make the playoffs with a losing record IF all the other wild card teams have worse losing records....for the record Which hasn't happened in at least 17 years, if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, Heitz said: Confused as to why everyone now loves Greg Roman - didn’t his O suck until Lynn took over? I thought Roman, his first year especially, was outstanding considering what he had to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jeebus said: More then likely they thought Peterman wasn't ready and they thought they could get Taylor to be something he wasn't. This is still a scary proposition throwing a rookie against a defense that is second in sacks. Another ballsy call by McD. It worked fairly well with the trades before the season and I was doubting of those moves. I'm going to wait to reserve judgement on this one. Taylor is the best quarterback we have had in a long time but, I do see how Taylor is the square peg in the round hole with this offense and Denison has failed to use Taylor appropriately and Peterman may be a better fit for what they are trying to do. Nice to see a thoughtful, intelligent post on the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 On 11/15/2017 at 12:59 PM, ctk232 said: I'm certainly hopeful and want nothing for this kid to succeed both as a Bills fan and an NP supporter. I like the kids attitude. But he's young and just simply doesn't have the reps or experience yet to not throw a pick or two. But I don't think what we saw in NO can be fully translatable - defense wasn't giving effort, nor did they prep for him and his timing/decision making. No one can honestly outside the preseason, but I don't know that that was a good trial balloon. He did make some great throws that we can hold onto for support, but it's going to be a lot more than just fitting throws. TT has left us hungry for a real passing game. My issue is if the OL doesn't show up, he'll need to continually throw quick. This may or may not turn into an issue, but with Bosa and Ingram coming at him this isn't an easy first NFL game, nor the pressure of the circumstances looming around him. I wanted him to have a genuine chance and this has the potential to be much more detrimental to his development than not. But here's to hoping. Yeah rookies tend to turn the ball over more. But while it is likely he may throw an int, it's also very possible he won't. I've seen all of his college games, living in ACC country. He is a gamer. The way he went into Clemson and beat the future champs, shows me that moments don't get too big for him. I'm hoping this translates to moments like this, his first NFL start. I think he and Zay will be good connection. They seemed to have good chemistry at the senior bowl and in preseason. The NFL sample size is very small, but it is encouraging. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 24 minutes ago, Heitz said: Confused as to why everyone now loves Greg Roman - didn’t his O suck until Lynn took over? Roman was excellent when it came to run play design. Less so when it came to prep & reps. Even less so when it came to passing concepts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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