SaviorPeterman Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Here are the official numbers on TOP courtesy of Mike Rodak: Quote Mike RodakVerified account @mikerodak 3h3 hours ago Mike Rodak Retweeted Todd Olson Ask and you shall receive. Since Week 5, Bills rank 29th in TOP/game (27:30). Their 18:37 vs. Saints was Buffalo’s lowest since Week 14 of 2005. Expand Why is this important? It's tangible evidence proving that the defense is struggling because Taylor has not been able to move this offense consistently. Too many 3 and outs and short possessions. And I've maintained for some time that eventually this defense will simply quit when they know they don't have a legit QB that can move the ball and score points. Not sure what other metrics McD and his staff need to see that it's simply not working with Taylor. Edited November 13, 2017 by SaviorPeterman 1
BillsFan130 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Not buying it to be honest. 10 days rest they had before this saints game. They just got owned plain and simple in my opinion 1
Coach55 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) On 11/13/2017 at 5:23 PM, billsfan11 said: Not buying it to be honest. 10 days rest they had before this saints game. They just got owned plain and simple in my opinion Expand Totally agree. I would almost make the argument that the defense's inability to get New Orleans off the field kept Taylor and the offense cold and thus led to the poor performance. Below are the drive summaries. You can't win when you can't stop them... ever. Drive 1 - 10 plays, 75 yds - TD Drive 2 - 9 plays, 46 yds - Ended in Fumble at the Bills 9 (had it not, more points) Drive 3 - 9 plays, 48 yds - TD Drive 4 - 9 plays, 75 yds - FG Drive 5 (I am skipping the kneel down for the half) - 9 plays, 75 yds - TD Drive 6 - 1 play, 3 yds - TD Drive 7 - 10 plays, 94 yds - TD Drive 8 - 14 plays, 52 yds - FG Drive 9 - 2 plays, 44 yds - TD Drive 10 - victory formation... Edited November 13, 2017 by Coach55 2
Mr. WEO Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Why don't they just force a three and out so they can go rest a little? 1
blargo Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 5:23 PM, billsfan11 said: Not buying it to be honest. 10 days rest they had before this saints game. They just got owned plain and simple in my opinion Expand I agree. The defense could not get off the field yesterday at all, even in the first half. The Offense plays a part in this and if the D played great in first half and as the game went on wore down I could buy the argument. But the D only stopped them on that 1 turnover in first half. 1
Bangarang Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 We don’t have to blame everything on Tyrod. This defense couldn’t stop a nose bleed yesterday. The ToP didn’t help but the Saints ran it down their throats and they couldn’t stop it. 1 1
NoSaint Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 5:17 PM, SaviorPeterman said: Here are the official numbers on TOP courtesy of Mike Rodak: Why is this important? It's tangible evidence proving that the defense is struggling because Taylor has not been able to move this offense consistently. Too many 3 and outs and short possessions. And I've maintained for some time that eventually this defense will simply quit when they know they don't have a legit QB that can move the ball and score points. Not sure what other metrics McD and his staff need to see that it's simply not working with Taylor. Expand It’s tangible evidence they are on the field more than the offense. They could be struggling for any number of reasons. That’s likely part of the reason but doubtfully most of it
DC Greg Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 5:23 PM, billsfan11 said: Not buying it to be honest. 10 days rest they had before this saints game. They just got owned plain and simple in my opinion Expand The number of days you had to rest prior to a game doesn't really change the fatigue that happens in game from having to go back in series after series when your offense goes 3 and out over and over again. There's certainly plenty of blame to go around for a loss like this, and the D does not get off the hook for playing like crap just because Tyrod and the offense put them in a bad spot. But the OP's point is correct. It's fatiguing and also demoralizing for a defense to have to go in over and over again after 3 and outs. When I played in college, we had a great defense and a mediocre (at best) offense. It definitely wears on you physically and mentally when the offense can't move the ball. You don't even need them to score all the time, but you do need some drives to get a break and not have your backs against the wall with field position every time you go out there.
Mr. WEO Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 6:01 PM, DC Greg said: The number of days you had to rest prior to a game doesn't really change the fatigue that happens in game from having to go back in series after series when your offense goes 3 and out over and over again. There's certainly plenty of blame to go around for a loss like this, and the D does not get off the hook for playing like crap just because Tyrod and the offense put them in a bad spot. But the OP's point is correct. It's fatiguing and also demoralizing for a defense to have to go in over and over again after 3 and outs. When I played in college, we had a great defense and a mediocre (at best) offense. It definitely wears on you physically and mentally when the offense can't move the ball. You don't even need them to score all the time, but you do need some drives to get a break and not have your backs against the wall with field position every time you go out there. Expand See above, the first 4 NO drives were at least 9 plays. The Bills D must have been "demoralized" immediately. They forced zero punts in 10 drives. That's never the Offense's fault.
TC in St. Louis Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 The offense, led by Tyrod Taylor, accumulated 5 first downs in nearly 4 quarters of football. That is an epic failure....this wasn't the steel curtain or the 85 Bears. Tyrod is not capable of being a drop back pocket passer. He doesn't have the acuity to remember where the receivers are, nor the ability to put it there. Granted, he was under pressure, but come on. He is not going to get us anywhere. I think if the Bills have a chance, they need to put Peterman in. Otherwise, get ready for another 5-11, 6-10 season.
Wayne Arnold Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 5:54 PM, Mr. WEO said: Why don't they just force a three and out so they can go rest a little? Expand Because they're facing Drew Brees and one of the best offenses in the NFL and they aren't that talented.
Mr. WEO Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 6:26 PM, Wayne Arnold said: Because they're facing Drew Brees and one of the best offenses in the NFL and they aren't that talented. Expand Brees handed off the ball 24 times in row at one point in the second half.
BillsFan130 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 6:01 PM, DC Greg said: The number of days you had to rest prior to a game doesn't really change the fatigue that happens in game from having to go back in series after series when your offense goes 3 and out over and over again. There's certainly plenty of blame to go around for a loss like this, and the D does not get off the hook for playing like crap just because Tyrod and the offense put them in a bad spot. But the OP's point is correct. It's fatiguing and also demoralizing for a defense to have to go in over and over again after 3 and outs. When I played in college, we had a great defense and a mediocre (at best) offense. It definitely wears on you physically and mentally when the offense can't move the ball. You don't even need them to score all the time, but you do need some drives to get a break and not have your backs against the wall with field position every time you go out there. Expand I disagree, respectfully. From the first drive of the game the Saints owned the Bills. 75 yards in 10 plays. You're telling me that after 10 days off, they were fatigued on that first drive? Nothing changed all game. Saints Ran it down their throats from their opening possession.
Wayne Arnold Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 6:29 PM, Mr. WEO said: Brees handed off the ball 24 times in row at one point in the second half. Expand So that means the defense doesn't have to account for him? They can just load 8-9 men in the box and dare him to pass?
Scott7975 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 5:17 PM, SaviorPeterman said: Here are the official numbers on TOP courtesy of Mike Rodak: Why is this important? It's tangible evidence proving that the defense is struggling because Taylor has not been able to move this offense consistently. Too many 3 and outs and short possessions. And I've maintained for some time that eventually this defense will simply quit when they know they don't have a legit QB that can move the ball and score points. Not sure what other metrics McD and his staff need to see that it's simply not working with Taylor. Expand Sure it makes them more tires as the game goes on but they start the games bad too. That has nothing to do with being tired.
BillsFan130 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 7:08 PM, Wayne Arnold said: So that means the defense doesn't have to account for him? They can just load 8-9 men in the box and dare him to pass? Expand In the 2nd half they knew the Saints were running and they still couldn't stop it. Even with 8 in the box
row_33 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 yes, getting drug up and down the field all day will make a D tired
SaviorPeterman Posted November 13, 2017 Author Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 6:23 PM, TC in St. Louis said: The offense, led by Tyrod Taylor, accumulated 5 first downs in nearly 4 quarters of football. That is an epic failure....this wasn't the steel curtain or the 85 Bears. Tyrod is not capable of being a drop back pocket passer. He doesn't have the acuity to remember where the receivers are, nor the ability to put it there. Granted, he was under pressure, but come on. He is not going to get us anywhere. I think if the Bills have a chance, they need to put Peterman in. Otherwise, get ready for another 5-11, 6-10 season. Expand This is the point people are missing. If Taylor was able to pass the ball like an NFL QB and the offense as a whole executed a semblance of a sustained drive the Saints don't have the ball as long as they do and probably don't score as many points even though they were winning this game regardless. Jesus Christ this QB that some people are still defending pass for 58 yards yesterday and led the team to a whopping 3 points (take away the long McCoy run early and Taylor doesn't even get the field goal). He is a deer in head lights out there and McD knows it despite his public comments to the fans and media. On 11/13/2017 at 7:11 PM, Scott7975 said: Sure it makes them more tires as the game goes on but they start the games bad too. That has nothing to do with being tired. Expand This isn't rocket science Scott, when your defense is on the field more than your offense it certainly does mean they will get tired especially when the offense is constantly going 3 and out or having 2 - 3 minute possessions and giving the ball right back to the other team which means the defense is right back out there. 1
Jauronimo Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Apparently they were worn down and demoralized from the opening kick off.
Wayne Arnold Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 7:33 PM, billsfan11 said: In the 2nd half they knew the Saints were running and they still couldn't stop it. Even with 8 in the box Expand They were defeated by then. Their pride splattered all over the field.
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