SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 17 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: As hard as I've been on Tyrod this season, I don't disagree with their decision to not pull him quite yet. He's a team captain, the team is still in a Wild Card position and he had one terrible game. If he has two more terrible games on the road these next two weeks, then I'll be calling for Peterman to start at home against the Patriots. Carolina - Not impressive Cincinnati - Not impressive JETS - Not impressive Saints - Not impressive Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Aww. Someone's upset because I won't heap praise on the backup QB who led a TD drive in garbage time. You should get over your pathetic preoccupation with what I post regarding Peterman. You're due for a change. Yes we ARE due for a change at QB, Sadly you will be the last to realize it.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Carolina - Not impressive Cincinnati - Not impressive JETS - Not impressive Saints - Not impressive Yes we ARE due for a change at QB, Sadly you will be the last to realize it. In your meaningless opinion. Meanwhile Peterman remains the backup. Edited November 14, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, nucci said: I get the Taylor criticism but you're praising Peterman incompletions? the point there was he was basically on target where TT's were not catchable. 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: In your meaningless opinion. Meanwhile Peterman is remains the backup. Who's feelings are hurt? Be honest. We all know it is yours. FTR For the last 2 years I have said Taylor won't be THAT guy. I'm batting 1000. Edited November 14, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: the point there was he was basically on target where TT's were not catchable. Who's feelings are hurt? Be honest. We all know it is yours. Obviously yours. You don't see me quoting or responding to what you post, because I don't care.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: In your meaningless opinion. Meanwhile Peterman is remains the backup. Whats that saying - Keep clinging to your guns and Religion. 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Obviously yours. You don't see me quoting or responding to what you post, because I don't care. No, we see you Copying and Pasting the same graphics repeatedly. You don't care??? YET ... here you are quoting me. Have a nice day 26CopyPaste Lovingly Mrs. Peterman (you see I don't mind it) Edited November 14, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan
nucci Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 17 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: the point there was he was basically on target where TT's were not catchable. ok, fair enough 4 hours ago, bills11 said: even with a short sample size one thing peterman does well is scan the field which tyrod struggles with I get this but Saints were rushing 4 against our 5 blockers and playing soft zone coverage.
Steptide Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 4 hours ago, bills11 said: even with a short sample size one thing peterman does well is scan the field which tyrod struggles with This is just a thing of beauty. I fell like I've never seen this throw from Tyrod in 3 seasons. Probably have, but they're so rare 1
hemma Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 Taylor doesn't trust his own accuracy. Taylor doesn't trust his receivers to make a play. His avoidance of possible 'mistakes' makes him a mistake. If he is here in 2018, ticket sales will drop off the ledge and maybe that is what is needed to conclusively end this mistake.
Steptide Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, hemma said: Taylor doesn't trust his own accuracy. Taylor doesn't trust his receivers to make a play. His avoidance of possible 'mistakes' makes him a mistake. If he is here in 2018, ticket sales will drop off the ledge and maybe that is what is needed to conclusively end this mistake. I can't imagine any scenario minus Taylor taking us to the superbowl that he's here next season
Scott7975 Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 45 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Carolina - Not impressive Cincinnati - Not impressive JETS - Not impressive Saints - Not impressive Yes we ARE due for a change at QB, Sadly you will be the last to realize it. Eh I agree the rest of the games but I thought he played pretty good in the Jets game despite the result.
HappyDays Posted November 14, 2017 Author Posted November 14, 2017 30 minutes ago, nucci said: ok, fair enough I get this but Saints were rushing 4 against our 5 blockers and playing soft zone coverage. I am telling you, as someone who has defended Tyrod plenty, Tyrod would not have made that throw in that exact same situation. The ball is being released as Benjamin makes his break. This is exactly what Tyrod struggles with. I think Tyrod would have thrown the ball to the short crosser or the checkdown (the 2 players standing at the 50). Even on the day I visited training camp I saw Peterman make a couple throws that I did not think Tyrod would have made in the same situation. Every team we face is in zone coverage because that’s where Tyrod struggles. Peterman is a technician when it comes to finding the hole in the zones and anticipating where the receiver will be. 1
Big Gun Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Eh I agree the rest of the games but I thought he played pretty good in the Jets game despite the result. Garbage time or not? Pre garbage time he was meh. Post garbage time, his stats looked ok.
Scott7975 Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, PeterGriffin said: Garbage time or not? Pre garbage time he was meh. Post garbage time, his stats looked ok. I also consider the circumstances. Everyone wants to blame every sack on Tyrod but that's not the case. The Oline was Swiss cheese that day. Even Glenn sucked. I seen a couple plays where Glenn was practically on top of Tyrod before making contact with the defender. That's never good for a lineman.
K D Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 4 hours ago, bills11 said: even with a short sample size one thing peterman does well is scan the field which tyrod struggles with it's such a simple play and Tyrod makes it look so hard. if that's him, he is ducking and scrambling around and then trying to chuck it down the field. he's not running the easy play he tries to make everything look spectacular. consistency is making the easy play time and time again and marching down the field and controlling the clock. Tyrod simply can't do that 1
Woodman19 Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) 57 minutes ago, nucci said: ok, fair enough I get this but Saints were rushing 4 against our 5 blockers and playing soft zone coverage. It doesn't matter what the Saints are doing, what matters is the QB read the coverage and made a good throw into a temporary window. Every play is unique and finding someone who can analyze each play efficiently is what separates the Tyrods from the (insert good passer here) Edit:. What's also missing in that video is highlighting that after he scans the impending passing window he shifts his weight and hips to load up for the throw which is great foot work but also anticipation of the coming play. Edited November 14, 2017 by Woodman19
Mat68 Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 20 minutes ago, Woodman19 said: It doesn't matter what the Saints are doing, what matters is the QB read the coverage and made a good throw into a temporary window. Every play is unique and finding someone who can analyze each play efficiently is what separates the Tyrods from the (insert good passer here) Edit:. What's also missing in that video is highlighting that after he scans the impending passing window he shifts his weight and hips to load up for the throw which is great foot work but also anticipation of the coming play. The problem is Taylor plays like every play and snap is unique but its not. There is a finite amount of coverages a defense can use. The alignment of the safites post snap cuts that in half. Once you have an idea of the coverage you than know where the ball needs to go. Now the differance in success on that throw is about .5 seconds. That is why I went from team Taylor to Peterman. The Saints the whole 2nd half played a cover 2 variant on third down. Not once did Taylor figure out where the hole was not once. Peterman on the first throw did. I really like the slant to Benjamin. Corner jumped it but the placememt was only benjamin could catch it.
Rochesterfan Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I am telling you, as someone who has defended Tyrod plenty, Tyrod would not have made that throw in that exact same situation. The ball is being released as Benjamin makes his break. This is exactly what Tyrod struggles with. I think Tyrod would have thrown the ball to the short crosser or the checkdown (the 2 players standing at the 50). Even on the day I visited training camp I saw Peterman make a couple throws that I did not think Tyrod would have made in the same situation. Every team we face is in zone coverage because that’s where Tyrod struggles. Peterman is a technician when it comes to finding the hole in the zones and anticipating where the receiver will be. I agree and this is part of the issue with TT stats. He would most likely complete the pass because the guys at the 50 both can turn around and come to a dead stop and be open and get no yards after catch. I would expect with Peterman - much like in the preseason and against the Saints - he will make throws into spots that TT will not make with any consistency. This will open up a lot of things, but at the same time - there will be throws like the 3rd down incompletion to KB that went through his hands - that are not the best of choices because a LB or safety dropped their coverage to get in an underneath throwing lane. Those throws become turnovers that we would not see with TT. My complaint about TT is and has been exactly what you said here - hitting the underneath target and not only hitting the underneath target, but hitting them late - so there is no room for the player to make a play. Look at the throws that Robert Woods is seeing in LA and compare those to the throw here with TT. The difference in LA is that Woods is getting the ball on breaks and with a bit of space to make plays and in Buffalo it was turnaround and wait for the throw as you stand there. The other pattern TT is famous for is hitting the WR just before they go out of bounds again no chance for a play by the WR. I think we have had enough talent at WR and TE the last couple of years, but that talent does not show when your QB does not make the plays. It started in game 1 with the Int on the first drive against the NYJs and has been the same throughout - TT is late with throws and misses the windows and has to hold the ball way to long because he missed the initial breaks. He is capable of making plays, but they are delayed plays once everything has settled down and he has time to read and process the field and that is causing issues.
frogger Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 he's Trent Edwards, I am not sold on him yet, throwing comeback routes against a prevent defense does nothing for me. He is a good backup and we shouldn't fool ourselves that he is anything more than that. Tyrod is better, but I think Tyrod is a back up, placed into a starting role.
Steptide Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 17 minutes ago, frogger said: he's Trent Edwards, I am not sold on him yet, throwing comeback routes against a prevent defense does nothing for me. He is a good backup and we shouldn't fool ourselves that he is anything more than that. Tyrod is better, but I think Tyrod is a back up, placed into a starting role. I could be wrong about this, but I don't think I've seen Peterman throw a single check down between pre season and the saints game. How can you even compare the two?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 At the end of his 5 step drop back he's getting some pressure Then he releases almost immediately. 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: Eh I agree the rest of the games but I thought he played pretty good in the Jets game despite the result. That is true. #'s wise his stats looked good. I would like to know what his numbers were up to the end of the 3rd QTR and what his numbers were later in the 4th QTR where the JETS D "relaxed" those late 14 points hides what the game really was. 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: I also consider the circumstances. Everyone wants to blame every sack on Tyrod but that's not the case. The Oline was Swiss cheese that day. Even Glenn sucked. I seen a couple plays where Glenn was practically on top of Tyrod before making contact with the defender. That's never good for a lineman. Just imagine a 3 to 5 step drop and a quick release by Tyrod. The Bills would probably only have 2 losses. Thats what hurts
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