The Now Moment Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 9 hours ago, mannc said: Yes, if only the Ryan and Gailley regimes had been given a few more years....think what they could have accomplished. I think this regime is different. JMO
The Now Moment Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 3 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Can you show recent examples of teams that took several years to build into a consistent playoff contender. IE teams whose current head coaches did not make the playoffs in their first 3 years as coaches, but then went on to great successes down the road. Tom Landry, Chuck Noll and the 70's don't count as recent. I never said they wouldn't be successful in the first three years...I said it would take about three years for them to replace the old regimes inherited players with their guys. Having guys that don't fit the scheme has been one of the biggest problems over the last decade and it will just continue unless we let regimes play out a little. It's been less than a season and people are already calling for heads. Belichick sucked his first year in New England, Coughlin sucked as well and coughlin lost a few of the players in the locker room but he had a plan just like these guys do IMO. Stay the course and trust the process. I think we finally chose the right guys, I'd be nice to see them get a a few years for a change.
Luka Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 If I were McD I'd be firing Dennison, benching Tyrod and spending a little more time in those defensive meetings. McD said that every starting position is constantly being evaluated but he has not been true to his word. Milano would be playing if that was true. Peterman would be playing if that were true. The personnel moves are questionable, sure, but the management of the guys on the roster is proving to be pretty horrific. The constant offensive line shuffling. Not using Taiwan Jones as McCoy's backup. Not having an answer for Dareus' spot but trading him anyways. And the play calling on both sides of the ball is awful. I mean MAYBE Dennison isn't quite as bad as he looks, given that no matter what passing play he calls his QB won't throw the football. But what's Fraizer's excuse? Is he even needed? All we play is Cover 2 Zone. No stunts, no shifts, no twists, no blitzes. I guess I shouldn't say his play calling is bad, his play calling is non existent.
The Now Moment Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Dr. K said: How about, you know, like . . . FITTING THE SCHEMES TO THE PLAYERS? Oh, no, we're too smart for that. Well that'd be nice but the coaches have coached in specific schemes for a long time. Frazier and McDermott are known for the cover 2 just like Rex was known for his defense...just like Wade Phillips is known for his defense and so on. All coaches specialize in certain schemes. If they don't know how to coach the scheme it makes it harder. Matching the players to the scheme takes longer but in the end I think will be more successful. It just requires patience to let them fill the roster with their guys but Buffalo fans don't have patience. Understandably so, but if we ever want to get out of this rut...maybe we should try something different
BringBackOrton Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: What's disturbing is that this roster was supposed to be devoid of quitters, if nothing else. That's a flaw in the McD plan..........EVERYONE has a process until they get punched in the mouth. Most embarrassing performance I have ever attended at the Ralph.......and I've been to hundreds of home games......they could scarcely have given less effort. Less talent for more culture, only to find out we have neither. Edited November 13, 2017 by jmc12290
section122 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Yesterday was a tough pill to swallow. I can excuse the Jets game as a short week, division opponent, blah blah blah. The lack of effort yesterday was certainly eye opening. Yesterday the run and pass offense were terrible. Yesterday the run and pass defense were terrible. I don't even know how that is possible. It's chicken or egg trying to figure out if the offense sucked because the defense did or vice versa. Teams rush 5 against the Bills and get pressure. What is done to fix that? Nothing The Bills rush 4 and get no pressure. What is done to fix that? Nothing Tolbert as the backup rb is proving to be the disaster we all thought it would. He has zero lateral quickness so it either needs to be a run up the gut or its a tfl. Dareus is missed greatly in the middle of that d line. The "leaders" on this team need to check themselves. Both lines were dominated 2 weeks in a row. After half time the defense came out and gave up a long drive. I don't want to hear how it's the offenses fault they didn't force a single Saints punt. Tyrod checked down short of the sticks so many times on 3rd down not even giving the team a chance at a first. I don't want to hear it's the defenses fault they were playing from behind and couldn't get into their game plan. It was concerning to me and not a positive that the players had to meet with the coaches to get them to go back to some of the things that made them successful last year. The coaches should have already been doing that. All of this said and the Bills still sit at 5-4 in the drivers seat for a wc berth. Time to see what McDermott and the process are made of. Time for some major adjustments and the first one needs to be effort level.
BADOLBILZ Posted November 13, 2017 Author Posted November 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Less talent for more culture, only to find out we have neither. Gotta' wonder if McD was having his "Maybe Christmas doesn't come from a store....?" moment yesterday. Militaries have known for thousands of years that fatigue makes cowards of men.........but McD thinks he can have try hards run headlong into battle without some playmakers to support them in an era where player safety is in the forefront of their minds? When that team was on D it might as well have been the floor at the NYSE there were so many business decisions getting made.
CLTbills Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 How has changing the coaching regime every 2-3 years worked out for the last 2 decades?
BADOLBILZ Posted November 13, 2017 Author Posted November 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, CLTbills said: How has changing the coaching regime every 2-3 years worked out for the last 2 decades? How has changing the QB every 2-3 years worked out? Or any of the other personnel? Your argument only makes sense if there is a need for regret. Losing Marrone probably hurt.....I don't think we lost a great HC but it was a setback at the time.......otherwise mostly bad hires by Ralph's people in retrospect. The common denominator, unfortunately, is shaky decisions by ownership. When the owner just doesn't really know what he's getting into and the ship is effectively rudderless, mistakes tend to get repeated. This is why a Czar was suggested to the Pegula's. They decided to free wheel it........even though their level of football fandom was novice.
BillsfanAZ Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Noogie75 said: It's not the defense it's Tyrod. I would say it is the defense, Tyrod, and the Oline. The defense has been getting gashed. The Saints walked right down the field on them but the game was not out of reach early on. Tyrod and the Oline cannot get the offense moving. Conservative passes, runs, and QB pressure are killing this offense. For every good throw Tyrod has, he has three bad ones or he takes a sack. Taylor will not take chances with the ball and I think he throws a lot of passes late instead of anticipating. Three and out too many times in a row is going to exhaust the defense. Then when a good offense is up by 3 TD's, the defense knows the offense isnt coming back so they mail in the rest of the game.
simool Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 15 hours ago, Agent 91 said: If they dont win next year they probably wont see the process through to the 3rd year of their contract. They dont have time to slowly right the ship I think they at least have 3 years, if not 4. Probably guaranteed too. I cannot see either McDermott or Beane coming here without assurances. They saw the epic gutting that need to occur here and they saw the plug get pulled on Rex. No way either comes here without something to address those concerns.
JPP Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Noogie75 said: It's not the defense it's Tyrod. Its both genius.....over 400 yards rushing and its not the defence.....alrighty than! Edited November 13, 2017 by JPP
teef Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, simool said: I think they at least have 3 years, if not 4. Probably guaranteed too. I cannot see either McDermott or Beane coming here without assurances. They saw the epic gutting that need to occur here and they saw the plug get pulled on Rex. No way either comes here without something to address those concerns. i think this staff absolutely gets 3 years.
dave mcbride Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, teef said: i think this staff absolutely gets 3 years. I think you're probably right. Gregg Williams got 3, Mularkey 2 (although he quit), Jauron 3.5, Gailey 3, Jauron 2, and Ryan 2. Three is the median.
ndirish1978 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, simool said: I think they at least have 3 years, if not 4. Probably guaranteed too. I cannot see either McDermott or Beane coming here without assurances. They saw the epic gutting that need to occur here and they saw the plug get pulled on Rex. No way either comes here without something to address those concerns. Agreed. This team simply has too many glaring holes to fill to be good in short order. We are going to have to trade all that draft capital we acquired for this year in order to pick up a QB. After that, we still need: 2 DTs A real starting MLB OLB CB2 RT RG WR with speed RB to back up and then replace Shady TE with two working knees That shopping list will take another 3 years to fill at the very least IF we hit on all of our picks.
teef Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I think you're probably right. Gregg Williams got 3, Mularkey 2 (although he quit), Jauron 3.5, Gailey 3, Jauron 2, and Ryan 2. Three is the median. i'm just assuming this because if an owner is going to let a staff dismantle a team like that, they're likely going to give them time to get it back in order, (or try to). i'm willing to bet they even get 4 unless it becomes a total disaster. i just can't imagine this team will be top end next year, and there's likely to be a new qb, and this team will be very young. i remember reading last year that some posters thought the browns were in a much better position than the bills going forward. they were starting fresh with a number of picks. now the bills are in this situation, and people are treating it like the end of the world. the 2018 bills will look wildly different than the 2017 bills.
dave mcbride Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, teef said: i'm just assuming this because if an owner is going to let a staff dismantle a team like that, they're likely going to give them time to get it back in order, (or try to). i'm willing to bet they even get 4 unless it becomes a total disaster. i just can't imagine this team will be top end next year, and there's likely to be a new qb, and this team will be very young. i remember reading last year that some posters thought the browns were in a much better position than the bills going forward. they were starting fresh with a number of picks. now the bills are in this situation, and people are treating it like the end of the world. the 2018 bills will look wildly different than the 2017 bills. Re year 4: if they're not good by year 3, i expect they'll be gone. Given them a year 4 after three bad ones would be similar to the Gus Bradley situation. That tends not to work out.
BillsVet Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Beane and McD both have had a wide amount of freedom from Ownership to get their guys. Not unlike Rex, who was behind signing TT, trading for McCoy, Clay, Incognito, drafting Lawson, et al. The latest regime in the generation of fail has somehow managed to make more moves and ended up with the same result. We're going to learn whether McD is just a louder and younger version of DJ. Ownership may not be bright enough to hire a czar, but they'll know when they're being mocked for still having an inept organization with another talker, albeit quieter, HC. This roster is far thinner than most fans can admit. It's a good thing McBeane have all those draft picks because the roster still needs significant improvement. And finding lesser talented types who buy in when things are good isn't going to cut it in this league. DJ proved that when things were easier in the late "oughts."
ndirish1978 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 the question is, do we take a QB THIS year and leave him surrounded by a bunch of no-talent JAGs or do we use our multiple picks to get some actual talent on this team before drafting a QB? I suspect we will have to do the former and use up all our draft picks to move up and get that QB.
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