SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Im not going to defend TT's play today....but the TOP was lopsided because our D couldnt stop the saints......and they were literally walking in for touchdowns. Our team is not biult to win shootouts a John. You are correct re the defense But one way to keep the defense off of the field is to sustain long drives and score points.
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Yeah we know he sucks thats the known quantity. I was willing to give him a chance but he has turned into Captain Checkdown it must be the number five or something Maybe if the Bills get more than 5 first downs with the game on the line our D gets off the field for a rest TOP was really lopsided. I was wondering when we would get the "TT played so poorly the DEF got tired" argument. That's only a valid point if your DEF is holding the other team in check until the 3rd/4th quarter. The Bills D got shredded from the 1st play. There were 3 drives the Saints didn't score on. Their 2nd drive when they fumbled in the red zone. And the other 2 were the end of the 1st and 2nd half (kneeling the clock out).
JMF2006 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Im not going to defend TT's play today....but the TOP was lopsided because our D couldnt stop the saints......and they were literally walking in for touchdowns. Our team is not biult to win shootouts a Not because they had 32 first downs to the Bills pathetic 10 and 42 mins to 18 in TOP.
#34fan Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Im not going to defend TT's play today....but the TOP was lopsided because our D couldnt stop the saints......and they were literally walking in for touchdowns. Our team is not biult to win shootouts a I'd call today more of a drive-by than a shootout... We were totally unprepared, and unable to respond... The bullets just kept on coming!... I wanted to call the cops, but...
JMF2006 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I was wondering when we would get the "TT played so poorly the DEF got tired" argument. That's only a valid point if your DEF is holding the other team in check until the 3rd/4th quarter. The Bills D got shredded from the 1st play. There were 3 drives the Saints didn't score on. Their 2nd drive when they fumbled in the red zone. And the other 2 were the end of the 1st and 2nd half (kneeling the clock out). Look I know the D was terrible but the O was just as bad. NP had more yards and completions than TT on only 2 series
Mr. WEO Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Yeah we know he sucks thats the known quantity. I was willing to give him a chance but he has turned into Captain Checkdown it must be the number five or something Maybe if the Bills get more than 5 first downs with the game on the line our D gets off the field for a rest TOP was really lopsided. Getting off the field during a drive is the D's only job. This line of argument doesn't make much sense. The TOP was lopsided because the D could not get off the field, no matter who was QB of the Bills. The Saints, after a drive featuring 11 straight runs, came out on their next drive and said "look, we aren't going to attempt a pass in the next 14 plays either"....and the D STILL can't figure out how to force a punt has nothing to do with the QB.
JMF2006 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Getting off the field during a drive is the D's only job. This line of argument doesn't make much sense. The TOP was lopsided because the D could not get off the field, no matter who was QB of the Bills. The Saints, after a drive featuring 11 straight runs, came out on their next drive and said "look, we aren't going to attempt a pass in the next 14 plays either"....and the D STILL can't figure out how to force a punt has nothing to do with the QB. Yes but it was already lopsided after the first 1/2,TT needs to warm the bench. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2017111200/2017/REG10/Saints@Bills?icampaign=scoreStrip-globalNav-2017111200#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000875819&tab=analyze
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: The questions McD should be answering is why is the offense so inept; and it is more than just this game. IMO, the offense is responsible for the Carolina and Cincy losses. Also, why the poor tackling and getting gashed by the RBs the last two games. Trading Marcy really hurts but we will be better in th long run. The offense is really devoid of talent save for Shady and we have been fortunate to score as much as we have. The league has caught up to us and we don't have the horses to counter.
Mr. WEO Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Yes but it was already lopsided after the first 1/2,TT needs to warm the bench. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2017111200/2017/REG10/Saints@Bills?icampaign=scoreStrip-globalNav-2017111200#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000875819&tab=analyze My response wasn't a defense of TT---sure, throw the guy form Pitt in there next week, get it over with. But this defense is awful right now. The Saints didn't even let Brees do anything for nearly half the game. They were facing a completely one dimensional offense running top the middle 2 dozen times in a row and could do nothing at all. That is far more alarming than restating that TT is a mediocre QB who struggles to find open receivers.
JMF2006 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Mr. WEO said: My response wasn't a defense of TT---sure, throw the guy form Pitt in there next week, get it over with. But this defense is awful right now. The Saints didn't even let Brees do anything for nearly half the game. They were facing a completely one dimensional offense running top the middle 2 dozen times in a row and could do nothing at all. That is far more alarming than restating that TT is a mediocre QB who struggles to find open receivers. I agree they looked like they didn't want to wrinkle their uniforms.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, JMF2006 said: After that game every starters position should be evaluated. Except who do you replace the starters with? We are at the bottom of the barrel at the moment.
Scott7975 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Sitting the on the bench doesn’t mean you are developing the right way. Often times, the best way to learn is by doing and making mistakes or having success. This. You either are going to get it or you won't. I don't believe in developing from the bench. There is no better experience than real world experience and doing it. Expect mistakes big deal. What matters is learning from them.
Bakin Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Could have had Joe Montana wrapped in Tom Brady out there today.... wouldnt have made a lick of difference with the way the D played. Pathetic performance by TT and the Offense. But have you ever seen a 10 play 94 yard drive that was all rushing plays? To basically the exact same spot? When we knew that they would be running? That D was just horrific. Clearly Dareus at his worst was still better than Worthy and whoever at their best.
JMF2006 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 I think Lorax needs to rest and Shareece Wright. Lets get 58 back on the field too.
Scott7975 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 55 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: 7 points before the prevent last week and 3 points this week. For added clarity. Which is kind of sad. And 3 in Carolina. I really like Tyrod but after today I can't defend his play as a QB. Peterman can't be worse than today. I don't think it's possible.
JohnC Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Getting off the field during a drive is the D's only job. This line of argument doesn't make much sense. The TOP was lopsided because the D could not get off the field, no matter who was QB of the Bills. The Saints, after a drive featuring 11 straight runs, came out on their next drive and said "look, we aren't going to attempt a pass in the next 14 plays either"....and the D STILL can't figure out how to force a punt has nothing to do with the QB. The defense, especially the DL, was overmatched. They were being knocked back and trampled all day. Most of the time our line was being pushed back while their line was pushing forward down the field. Most of their runs were inside the tackles where one on one they were knocking back and easily guiding the linemen to create clear running lanes. To make matters worse our pass rush was again nonexistent. There isn't much to analyze in this game. The opposition made fools of the Bills on both sides of the ball. It was overwhelming and it was embarrassing.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Rocbillsfan1 said: I give Tyrod one more shot in LA and if he stinks it up his career here should be over. Don't worry Wade will shut us down (wish he was our DC)
CommonCents Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 If Tyrod is your starter I suggest investing in a good pair of jumper cables.
Billsatlastin2018 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Bottom line: The Bills are extending the pathetic string of hapless losing to the Age of Majority... EIGHTEEN FREAKING YEARS... and counting! And absolutely nada is any better! This year's version has a star RB & we're not in the 1960s anymore. He is in front of castoffs and rejects from the Sunday Beer League as Wideouts! Headed by another loser as QB- too small to see the field & with little ability to throw passes to the proper spot & shoulder! TT will never, ever, ever be even a Top 10 QB, let alone a standout. What's worse about this sad sack org, is that they never reduce the number of holes- only increase them. Arguably, they still need 4-5 improvements on either side of the ball. Simply put, one of the most incompetent orgs in Pro Sports History!
BigBobby Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 The sad thing is that EVERYONE can see that this change needs to be made. Our offense is shot. It's so easy to stop us. I was predicting plays with 90% accuracy. But, our HC happens to be more conservative than jauron so it won't happen until A. We are mathematically out of the playoffs and B. There won't be enough games left to actually evaluate Peterman. On a side note...why can we all see that Tolbert is the worst running back in the league, yet he still gets important carries? Early in the game when it was a 3rd and 1 or something, my 9 year old son said they are going to hand it off to Tolbert up the middle for no gain and I said thanks dude, u just jinxed us and sure enough...
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