Every Dareus hater, APOLOGIZE

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Good refreshers about Peters and Lynch.  I don't think either guy was interested in re-signing with the Bills and that Lynch desperately wanted to get back to the left coast while Peters felt/knew he could get money anywhere else.

 

As for Dareus, I agree he got lazy/disinterested once he got his money.  But sometimes you put up with players with talent for awhile because they can help you win.  Doesn't mean you have to stick with them forever, but you keep them as long as you can.  I think they could have tried to trade him or release him after the season or maybe at the last second this season so as to make his dead cap count towards 2017 and 2018, if keeping 2019 unsullied was a major goal of theirs. 

I'd have to review some of the Dareus posts but wasn't there something about tradability and/or cap consequences if they had waited till the offseason to move him?

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

SoTier has an obsession with Brandon.

 

Reviewing the history of things,:

 

1.  With Peters yeah they should have kept him. And he deserved a bigger deal. But recall Peters had gotten hurt, and then during the offseason he would not come in to get the injury evaluated.  Brandon supposedly told him and his agent they were open to renegotiating, but wanted him to come in to talk and to get his injury evaluated.  Peters chose to stay away and not have any contact with the front office.  If I were Brandon I would have flown down to his house and camped out on his porch till he came out, but it just shows there were two sides to that story. 

 

2.  Lynch.  Besides being one more dumb thing away from a long suspension,  when the Bills drafted Spiller in round 1 (a mistake, but anther topic), Lynch and his agent went to Buddy and told him he would not sign another contract in Buffalo.  So they got what they could. 

 

3.  Dareus.  I love how people around here talk about how it's the organizations fault when a guy has an attitude problem.  Dareus has gone through a lot n his personal life.  He needed help and as I recall the Bills tried to help him get that. But bottom line is he signed a huge contract and then his play diminished.  Call it scheme under Rex if you want (and with some validity), but they went back to a scheme that favored him this year, and what does he do?  Decides to show up late, etc. and the HC provides some discipline and structure that maybe the kid actually needs.  But rather than accept that he apparently doesn't give full effort, winds up playing a minority of plays.  And you can't have your highest paid guy doing that.

 

Whatever happened to personal accountability?  The truly greats in sports, like the Jordans or Bradys or Gretzgys or Birds?  They practiced harder than anyone else on the team.  They demanded excellence not only of themselves, but of everyone around them.  The Bills need a guy like that.  Or two.  Or three.  Right now it's McD.  He'll get guys that are like that soon.

 

 

There does seem to be a constant here that you're not addressing: highly talented players really seem to want to get the hell out of Buffalo. I'd add Watkins and McGahee to this mix.

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

There does seem to be a constant here that you're not addressing: highly talented players really seem to want to get the hell out of Buffalo. I'd add Watkins and McGahee to this mix.

I don't think Buffalo is a godsend for young single guys in the NFL.  

[dave mcbride]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I don't think Buffalo is a godsend for young single guys in the NFL.  

I don't either. It's an issue that the team faces and which the fans don't factor in enough. Players don't want to stay.

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I don't think Buffalo is a godsend for young single guys in the NFL.  

 

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I don't either. It's an issue that the team faces and which the fans don't factor in enough. Players don't want to stay.

 

Yup.  And it tends to be the guys who grew up and played in warm weather most/all of their careers. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

I don't either. It's an issue that the team faces and which the fans don't factor in enough. Players don't want to stay.

 

 

We won't know the extent of that until the Bills actually create some hope.   Nobody wants to play for a team that is a running joke.  Nobody.  Gotta' bother some of these guys to go from being BMOC at Clemson or Alabama and go home or on vacation and get clowned on.   The brand is tarnished.

[CanadianFan]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Does he play like a 6th round pick to you?

[EasternOHBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, CanadianFan said:

 

Does he play like a 6th round pick to you?

 

For THIS week, no... just wait in a couple of weeks when he gets lazy again and the newness wears off... the record has been thoroughly established in regards to his less than stellar work ethic and his immaturity. It's like pointing to our five wins and saying, "We are a GREAT TEAM! SEE?????"

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

There does seem to be a constant here that you're not addressing: highly talented players really seem to want to get the hell out of Buffalo. I'd add Watkins and McGahee to this mix.

I have never seen one thing about Sammy wanting to leave. The GM admitted he never talked to Sammy about his long term plans.  Sammy was friends with people who went to St. Francis.  He never said anything about waiting to leave.

[Peter]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

I did not see a lot of that against the Saints. 

20 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

For THIS week, no... just wait in a couple of weeks when he gets lazy again and the newness wears off... the record has been thoroughly established in regards to his less than stellar work ethic and his immaturity. It's like pointing to our five wins and saying, "We are a GREAT TEAM! SEE?????"

 

The record?

 

Just an example: The guy lost a family member to murder, played the next game, and had a great game. 

 

St. Doug apparently did not think he was too lazy and thought he could motivate him.  It is a shame that McBean did not think McCoach and his staff could do the same with an elite talent. 

 

Whatever one may think the record was or is, it is going to be depressing to watch Dareus play for the Jags and St. Doug while other teams think that they can run the ball 20+ times in a row even though we have 8 in the box.

 

Dareus is not perfect but he sure is much better than what we have and whoever we pick with that 6th round pick.

 

McBean got the roster and schemes they want right now.  We shall see what they do with those against the Chargers, Chiefs, and Pats.  I do not think it is going to be pretty.

 

Just my two cents.

Edited November 14, 2017 by Peter

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

There does seem to be a constant here that you're not addressing: highly talented players really seem to want to get the hell out of Buffalo. I'd add Watkins and McGahee to this mix.

 

Keep telling yourself as the playoff drought continues into the foreseeable future.

[dave mcbride]

17 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I have never seen one thing about Sammy wanting to leave. The GM admitted he never talked to Sammy about his long term plans.  Sammy was friends with people who went to St. Francis.  He never said anything about waiting to leave.

I suspect he wanted to leave given the stuff I've heard about him feeling burned by the medical and coaching staff regarding his foot last season. The fact that that team didn't pick up his option (when it was pretty clear that he was going to be healthy) and traded him as soon as they could showcase him suggests that they didn't think he wanted to be here. The new regime was pretty clear from the get-go about wanting buy-in.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

I did not see a lot of that against the Saints. 

 

The record?

 

Just an example: The guy lost a family member to murder, played the next game, and had a great game. 

 

St. Doug apparently did not think he was too lazy and thought he could motivate him.  It is a shame that McBean did not think McCoach and his staff could do the same with an elite talent. 

 

Whatever one may think the record was or is, it is going to be depressing to watch Dareus play for the Jags and St. Doug while other teams think that they can run the ball 20+ times in a row even though we have 8 in the box.

 

Dareus is not perfect but he sure is much better than what we have and whoever we pick with that 6th round pick.

 

McBean got the roster and schemes they want right now.  We shall see what they do with those against the Chargers, Chiefs, and Pats.  I do not think it is going to be pretty.

 

Just my two cents.

 

You conviently glazed over the transgressions Dareus has committed since he came to us. That's disappointing.

 

Doug Marrone can afford to take on a Dareus contract because he inherited a team that has better overall talent and had the room to make the move.

 

You say that "McBean got the roster and schemes they want right now" and YET we still have all of this dead cap space thanks to Dareus and holes we have yet to fill- remember all those draft picks we have? Don't you think we collected them because we actually ARE NOT the team Beane and McDermott want fully, and that we are missing pieces?

 

The only thing I am upset about besides the Boldin two-faced episode is Tyrod stubbornly being allowed to STILL be the starter despite his exposed limitations. We are just not where we need to be against good teams, and in time the evolving puzzle will be filled in nicely with the right pieces.

[SoTier]

25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I have never seen one thing about Sammy wanting to leave. The GM admitted he never talked to Sammy about his long term plans.  Sammy was friends with people who went to St. Francis.  He never said anything about waiting to leave.

 

Revisionist history to make justify the Bills' bad moves just like the Bills apologists now claiming that Dareus was disrupting the locker room when there was nothing ever even hint that he was any kind of trouble in the locker room.

[Peter]

12 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

You conviently glazed over the transgressions Dareus has committed since he came to us. That's disappointing.

 

Doug Marrone can afford to take on a Dareus contract because he inherited a team that has better overall talent and had the room to make the move.

 

You say that "McBean got the roster and schemes they want right now" and YET we still have all of this dead cap space thanks to Dareus and holes we have yet to fill- remember all those draft picks we have? Don't you think we collected them because we actually ARE NOT the team Beane and McDermott want fully, and that we are missing pieces?

 

The only thing I am upset about besides the Boldin two-faced episode is Tyrod stubbornly being allowed to STILL be the starter despite his exposed limitations. We are just not where we need to be against good teams, and in time the evolving puzzle will be filled in nicely with the right pieces.

 

Transgressions?  You mean driving his car recklessly?  Smoking pot?  I don't condone that but I also know that he was and is a young guy who has had a very disadvantaged and tragic home life who has made some mistakes. 

 

Unlike Jerry Sullivan, I did not think that his mistakes were necessarily mortal sins. 

 

As for the dead cap space, that is what McBean opted for.  I would rather have Dareus than eat the dead cap space these next two years, but hey, that's just me.  If we were going to get rid of him, I would have done it in a couple of years and not now and certainly not for the bag of pucks that they got for him.  By all accounts, Dareus' teammates liked him.  I do not think he was a "cancer" as some would like to portray him to justify this trade.  Dareus simply was a guy that McBean did not want on this team now.  That was their choice.

 

This is the team that McBean opted for this year.  They decided whom to keep, whom to cut, and whom to trade and for what. 

 

Just my two cents.

Edited November 14, 2017 by Peter

[SoTier]

4 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

We are just not where we need to be against good teams, and in time the evolving puzzle will be filled in nicely with the right pieces.

 Bull manure.  The Bills aren't where they need to be against poor teams like the Jests, either, and it's NOT going to be fixed any time soon ... any more that it has never been fixed over the last 17 years. 

 

A team that continuously sheds its best talent for reasons other than absolute necessity -- ie, they're up against the cap  -- is never going to win anything as the Bills' 2 winning seasons in this century attest, but keep making excuses for them if it makes you feel better.  The proof is in how many players that the Bills didn't want go to other teams and have productive or good or great or even HOF careers while the Bills wallow in the same losing rut they've claimed as their own since 2000.

[ctk232]

43 minutes ago, CanadianFan said:

 

Does he play like a 6th round pick to you?

Think we're all pissed about only getting the 6th round. But a guy with known attitude issues and lack of effort doesn't exactly "sell high" and the Jags made out on this trade. If he ended up giving us another 2nd or 3rd maybe, but I think this sours the situation more than anything else.

 

For the immediate impact, I can't believe that Dareus getting traded is the reason our Defense did, well, whatever it did, the past two weeks. Since the Oakland game, two things have happened: 1. we stopped getting turnovers at an unsustainable rate; and 2. we traded Dareus. Yes we've had injuries along the way that have contributed, but to the point of this thread, these are two key pieces that are definitively no longer.

 

While Dareus certainly served as a run stopper in his limited snaps, our defense could still stop the run earlier in the season - he wasn't always on the field. Additionally, while I would've never said this was one of the best defenses in the league at any point this season, they were never this absent or inept. How much of the past two weeks is actually due to missing Dareus in the middle? The type of play that we saw the past two weeks, is far too much of a drastic shift to point to Dareus leaving or any combination of pieces. Every single player has changed the way they play, not just the line. So wtaf is going on? Something behind the scenes?   

[CountryCletus]

58 minutes ago, CanadianFan said:

 

Does he play like a 6th round pick to you?

And here we go again.... it’s all about the compensation... I sincerely hope you don’t look at him for the 6th and think that’s the depth of the deal...

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I don't either. It's an issue that the team faces and which the fans don't factor in enough. Players don't want to stay.

It’s about winning. If it was as simple as city NFL players want to leave in, why does Miami suck and SD lose a team?  No one has a problem with Green Bay or Pittsburgh. But believe it or not, guys don’t enjoy 17 years without making the playoffs. That matters more than weather or clubs. They all live in Miami or LA in the offseason anyways.

 

side note, and I know some of you aren’t as handsome as me  , but for it’s size, Buffalo has a good number of attractive women.  On scale, it’s much better than Pittsburgh or Boston.