OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 On 11/11/2017 at 12:09 AM, Buffalo716 said: Oh im not saying I believe in their rankings... they have a lot of head scratchers Expand ...anybody care to dissect this Castillo's pedigree and accomplishments as an OL Coach or should we just assume it is inferior OL talent because he is the master??............
Buffalo716 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 On 11/11/2017 at 12:15 AM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...anybody care to dissect this Castillo's pedigree and accomplishments as an OL Coach or should we just assume it is inferior OL talent because he is the master??............ Expand Idk it's tough around caching cirlces his name is thought of pretty highly but the execution this year leads a lot to be desired
BobChalmers Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Castillo needs to go. Everything else about the OLine is uncertain until that happens. On 11/11/2017 at 12:30 AM, Buffalo716 said: Idk it's tough around caching cirlces his name is thought of pretty highly but the execution this year leads a lot to be desired Expand Here in Ravens-land, fans were not the least bit sorry to see him go. I think of Castillo as the Ravens' revenge on us for the Lee Evans trade.
Saxum Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 He has been a key player on a lot of runs and Miller has not but what do coaches know? We should just replace coaches with fan and media polls.
Senth Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 We are wasting Miller .... absolutely an upgrade ( sorry a huge upgrade from Vlad) so all I can say is WTF.
Happy Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 On 11/11/2017 at 12:31 AM, BobChalmers said: Castillo needs to go. Everything else about the OLine is uncertain until that happens. Here in Ravens-land, fans were not the least bit sorry to see him go. I think of Castillo as the Ravens' revenge on us for the Lee Evans trade. Expand Lee Evans only dropped a few passes. Castillo's OLine scheme and coaching is going to get both Shady and Tyrod killed.
Thurman#1 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) On 11/11/2017 at 12:11 AM, The Frankish Reich said: Interesting: so far in 2017, PFF has John Miller at 39.7 ("Poor"), and Vlad Ducasse as a higher grade of poor (49). So there is that ... Expand Yeah, there's a lot of hatred for Ducasse among Bills fans but neither one of these guys has played well this year. Miller appears to have been better suited for last year's scheme. I haven't concentrated on this spot but from what I've seen I thought Ducasse played better. Not really well, but better. This kind of sudden regression sometimes happens when schemes are changed. Edited November 11, 2017 by Thurman#1
Dadonkadonk Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 On 11/11/2017 at 12:03 AM, The Frankish Reich said: Didn't PFF also have Cyrus Koundjio as our most effective OT last year? I like PFF, but sometimes - particularly with O linemen - it makes me wonder what tape they're watching. Expand He was. He should be starting LT now with Glenn/Dawkins/Mills battling for the RT job. If Glenn is healthy is a very solid LT. But he will never be the same player.
billsfan89 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Supposedly Miller might not be a fit for the zone running scheme. The rest of the O-line seems to have picked it up but not Miller. I think they end up trading Miller for a later round pick, some team that runs a scheme more similar to the scheme that was run in 2015 and 2016. I can't see getting that much but at least a 6th or 7th at best a 5th.
Elite Poster Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 On 11/11/2017 at 1:04 AM, Limeaid said: He has been a key player on a lot of runs and Miller has not but what do coaches know? We should just replace coaches with fan and media polls. Expand These are the same guys who were handed the league best running game two years straight, changed the scheme, and were left scratching their heads as to why the run game no longer worked. These aren't some geniuses. They have massive egos that transcend logic. See Rex Ryan...
sfladave Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 On 11/11/2017 at 7:24 AM, Elite Poster said: These are the same guys who were handed the league best running game two years straight, changed the scheme, and were left scratching their heads as to why the run game no longer worked. These aren't some geniuses. They have massive egos that transcend logic. See Rex Ryan... Expand I habe to agree. The switch to zone blocking for the OL was a other example of a coach thinking he has a better way and we'll even be more effective! The Rex comparison is spot on, take something really good and make your mark to improve it with an entirely different scheme = bad! 1
GunnerBill Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 On 11/11/2017 at 12:11 AM, The Frankish Reich said: Interesting: so far in 2017, PFF has John Miller at 39.7 ("Poor"), and Vlad Ducasse as a higher grade of poor (49). So there is that ... Expand Vlad actually had a really good game against the Raiders and other than that they have both sucked.
Chandler#81 Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 On 11/10/2017 at 10:14 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....didn't Miller get some "most improved" kudos for 2016 on some web site?.....apparently Castillo-uh oh never got the memo.......... Expand Off season Trade Bait
Fixxxer Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) On 11/11/2017 at 4:56 AM, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, there's a lot of hatred for Ducasse among Bills fans but neither one of these guys has played well this year. Miller appears to have been better suited for last year's scheme. I haven't concentrated on this spot but from what I've seen I thought Ducasse played better. Not really well, but better. This kind of sudden regression sometimes happens when schemes are changed. Expand Ducasse is a 7 year pro and in each one of those years he didn't even reach the averege line for OLs. in fact he has been awul in the majority of those years. Miller looked bad this year in the new system, no doubt, but in two years he has shown he can get better, besides we're implementing some power running schmes from last year, why change? Let him play the year out and if he's not progressing trade him. Edited November 11, 2017 by Fixxxer
dulles Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 On 11/11/2017 at 1:04 AM, Limeaid said: He has been a key player on a lot of runs and Miller has not but what do coaches know? We should just replace coaches with fan and media polls. Expand That'd be fun...until the first week ended. I'm with you...it may be hard to understand, but the coaches are the ones with access to all the tape. They work with them every day. They are the ones with the information, so I think they should be given the latitude to make the decision. Hopefully McCoach can properly assess their performance and make adjustments as needed. I find this aspect of his coaching tenure fascinating. He was canned as a DC by Andy Reid. Will he can his assistants when it is necessary or will he be ultra loyal (like Wade Philips was)? What if it is patently obvious that a change is needed, but he is unwilling to budge? Should make for some good offseason conversations over the next few years! OK, back to the subject - I trust the coaches judgment on this...for now.
Elite Poster Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 Everyone really forgets how dominant our run game was last year. I'm not gonna blindly sit here and support a scheme that does not fit our players. It's stupid.
flomoe Posted November 11, 2017 Posted November 11, 2017 On 11/11/2017 at 7:24 AM, Elite Poster said: T H I S ! ! Expand 9 hours ago, Elite Poster said: These are the same guys who were handed the league best running game two years straight, changed the scheme, and were left scratching their heads as to why the run game no longer worked. These aren't some geniuses. They have massive egos that transcend logic. See Rex Ryan... Expand
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