row_33 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 On 11/14/2017 at 10:29 AM, ALF said: The one time they should have listened to Trump and voted for Big Luther. It would be ironic if a red state like Alabama had a democrat for Senator. It will be a GOP voting line no matter who gets the nod from the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 To Avoid Debacles Like Roy Moore, Repeal The 17th Amendment by David Danielson FTA: All of this could have been avoided if we’d just repealed the Seventeenth Amendment. Good Reasons for Allowing States to Elect Senators The Seventeenth Amendment says U.S. senators must be elected by popular vote, instead of by state legislatures. Adopted in 1913 during the height of the Progressive Era, the amendment supersedes the provisions in the Constitution that required senators to be elected by state legislatures. The idea that state legislatures would elect senators might seem odd nowadays, but creating some distance between the popular vote and the election of senators was crucial to the Founders’ grand design for the republic. The original idea, spelled out in The Federalist Papers, was that the people would be represented in the House of Representatives and the states would be represented in the Senate. Seats in the House were therefore apportioned according to population while every state, no matter how large its populace, got two seats in the Senate. The larger concept behind this difference was that Congress needed to be both national and federal in order to reflect not just the sovereignty of the people but also the sovereignty of the states against the federal government. In Federalist No. 62, James Madison explained that Congress shouldn’t pass laws “without the concurrence, first, of a majority of the people, and then of a majority of the states.” Besides tempering the passions of the electorate, empowering state legislatures to elect senators was meant to protect the states from the encroachments of the federal government. The tension was (and still is) between the dual sovereignty of the national government and the states. Writing in Federalist No. 39, Madison explains that while the House of Representatives is national because it “will derive its powers from the people of America,” the Senate “will derive its powers from the States, as political and coequal societies.” We’ve lost much of this today, but the jurisdiction of the federal government, wrote Madison, “extends to certain enumerated objects only, and leaves to the several States a residuary and inviolable sovereignty over all other objects.” More at the link: http://thefederalist.com/2017/11/16/avoid-debacles-like-roy-moore-repeal-17th-amendment/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 New Fox News Poll - Poll also shows Obama has a higher favorability rating (52%) compared to Trump (49%) in Alabama. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign-polls/360807-fox-news-poll-obama-has-higher-favorability-in-alabama-than-trump. State polls are less accurate than national polls (see presidential election), but this should concern McConnell and company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 You know.................when everything is trending your way..............you really should shut up...... Democrat Doug Jones: The Second Amendment Has ‘Limitations.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 23 minutes ago, B-Man said: You know.................when everything is trending your way..............you really should shut up...... Democrat Doug Jones: The Second Amendment Has ‘Limitations.’ we need to make sure we shore up the National Crime Information System, the NICS system for background checks But that's racist, since NICS is also used to vet immigrants... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/11/you_dont_have_to_believe_the_w.html Guess he first noticed his wife when she was 15 or 16 Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 so what's the game plan here with firing and suing everyone that is famous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 never a good thing to have "naked prancing" in a headline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 On 11/14/2017 at 9:21 AM, baskin said: This is Classic current GOP Trump progression or response from person in question and the followers: - Didn't do it - Its a conspiracy - Ok,,,.I did something like it...but not like she/they said - You don't have enough evidence to convict me... - I am innocent until proven guilty.... No...someone running for Senate doesn't get a trial...its a campaign...not a court of law....Why doesn't the GOP and the good people of Alabama elect someone of undisputed integrity for one of the highest offices in the land? Someone who - when they got elected...people would say....damn...so glad this guy is here now...he or she can really help us out... Why nominate someone who has been kicked off the bench...twice...What is this person possibly going to add to our national discussion? Is he an expert on Health Care...Taxes....ANY of the issues that our country could do better....? The GOP/Trump think has sunk to the point where it now elects and puts in office/on the bench pretty much on the best person who can be the worst qualified for that position....as DT would say....SAD.... Ha ha! Yes, they are at the "nothing was illegal" stage in the Russia probe, lol. That will change soon On 11/16/2017 at 4:24 PM, B-Man said: To Avoid Debacles Like Roy Moore, Repeal The 17th Amendment by David Danielson FTA: All of this could have been avoided if we’d just repealed the Seventeenth Amendment. Good Reasons for Allowing States to Elect Senators The Seventeenth Amendment says U.S. senators must be elected by popular vote, instead of by state legislatures. Adopted in 1913 during the height of the Progressive Era, the amendment supersedes the provisions in the Constitution that required senators to be elected by state legislatures. The idea that state legislatures would elect senators might seem odd nowadays, but creating some distance between the popular vote and the election of senators was crucial to the Founders’ grand design for the republic. The original idea, spelled out in The Federalist Papers, was that the people would be represented in the House of Representatives and the states would be represented in the Senate. Seats in the House were therefore apportioned according to population while every state, no matter how large its populace, got two seats in the Senate. The larger concept behind this difference was that Congress needed to be both national and federal in order to reflect not just the sovereignty of the people but also the sovereignty of the states against the federal government. In Federalist No. 62, James Madison explained that Congress shouldn’t pass laws “without the concurrence, first, of a majority of the people, and then of a majority of the states.” Besides tempering the passions of the electorate, empowering state legislatures to elect senators was meant to protect the states from the encroachments of the federal government. The tension was (and still is) between the dual sovereignty of the national government and the states. Writing in Federalist No. 39, Madison explains that while the House of Representatives is national because it “will derive its powers from the people of America,” the Senate “will derive its powers from the States, as political and coequal societies.” We’ve lost much of this today, but the jurisdiction of the federal government, wrote Madison, “extends to certain enumerated objects only, and leaves to the several States a residuary and inviolable sovereignty over all other objects.” More at the link: http://thefederalist.com/2017/11/16/avoid-debacles-like-roy-moore-repeal-17th-amendment/ Yes, democracy sucks, huh? If we had democracy we wouldn't have Trump, so that sinks that argument. We would have a competent Hillary Clinton and you guys could continue falling for all the made up scandals about her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 where do we have democracy? I live under a bicameral English Parliamentary government and most of you under a Republic. The best that they can give is for the right of the minority to peacefully protest and effect positive change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, row_33 said: where do we have democracy? I live under a bicameral English Parliamentary government and most of you under a Republic.Oligarchy The best that they can give is for the right of the minority to peacefully protest and effect positive change. FTFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) The most important point was the 3rd sentence i gave y'all Your history is filled with all kinds of practically helpless people effecting positive change through the courts and ballot box... Halberstam's The Children is a good read about this. Edited November 21, 2017 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: FTFY Government by Ollie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Trump backing the pedophile See his wife walk away, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 “The Washington Post is a worthless piece of crap that has gone out of its way to railroad Roy Moore,” Doster wrote in an email he described as an “on the record” statement. “There is no need for anyone at the Washington Post to ever reach out to the Roy Moore campaign again because we will not respond to anyone from the Post now or in the future. Happy Thanksgiving ha ha? One of the best things about this is the butt hurt over the post taking this POS down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Moore's back on top in the polls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, row_33 said: Moore's back on top in the polls? Alabama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) You realize that there is a 50/50 chance that in about 3 weeks Roy Moore will be in the US Senate and Al Franken will not. It;s a crazy old world.............and that's a fact. . Edited November 23, 2017 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 4 hours ago, row_33 said: Moore's back on top in the polls? So many puns, so little time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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