Warren Zevon Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, Nanker said: Please don't ever try to become a Political Campaign Manager. If you don't understand how the game is played, you'll get your candidate's ticket punched to the losing line. Great - thanks! Since I'm not a political campaign manager and am not trying to be one, I'll insert my own opinions where applicable. My opinion is Roy Moore is a coward for refusing to debate his opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, garybusey said: Great - thanks! Since I'm not a political campaign manager and am not trying to be one, I'll insert my own opinions where applicable. My opinion is Roy Moore is a coward for refusing to debate his opponent. Can you think of any reasons why it might not be politically advantageous to debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, garybusey said: Great - thanks! Since I'm not a political campaign manager and am not trying to be one, I'll insert my own opinions where applicable. My opinion is Roy Moore is a coward for refusing to debate his opponent. Great. And what advice do you think he's receiving. BTW, I think he's creep of the first magnitude. However, we're discussing campaign tactics here. It's not at all uncommon for candidates - especially ones that are leading in the polls - to refuse to debate their opponent. It's filed under S for strategy, and T for tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Can you think of any reasons why it might not be politically advantageous to debate? Of course I understand why Roy Moore doesn't want to debate - he's been credibly accused by multiple women of being a pedophile. I don't think Roy understands, though... "We’ve refused to debate them because of their very liberal stance on transgenderism and transgenderism in the military and in bathrooms. They are desperate," Moore told Hannity. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/359871-moore-i-refused-to-debate-democratic-opponent-because-of-stance-on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, garybusey said: Of course I understand why Roy Moore doesn't want to debate - he's been credibly accused by multiple women of being a pedophile. I don't think Roy understands, though... "We’ve refused to debate them because of their very liberal stance on transgenderism and transgenderism in the military and in bathrooms. They are desperate," Moore told Hannity. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/359871-moore-i-refused-to-debate-democratic-opponent-because-of-stance-on You think Moore doesn't understand? Can you think of any reasons why Roy Moore might not tell an interviewer that he won't debate because he's being accused of being a pedophile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Azalin said: No, conservatives won't lose credibility, and neither will the Republicans in general. Alabama will lose credibility. Alabama conservatives* Still, it is such an important seat you are seeing conservatives outside Alabama endorse the guy, despite the allegations. Those conservatives do represent other districts. Though I tend to agree with you, an argument could be made regarding the sacrifice of morality in exchange for power/control would tarnish plenty of conservatives outside of Alabama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Paulus said: Alabama conservatives* Still, it is such an important seat you are seeing conservatives outside Alabama endorse the guy, despite the allegations. Those conservatives do represent other districts. Though I tend to agree with you, an argument could be made regarding the sacrifice of morality in exchange for power/control would tarnish plenty of conservatives outside of Alabama. Any Democratic hand-wringing over this rapidly loses credibility over the simple fact that they want "the other guy" removed over allegations, while they support "their guy" in the face of actual photographic evidence. It's all posturing bull ****. Doesn't mean anything, and nothing will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 It isn't a pleasant situation. And gives the other side something to feel smarmy about, and they aren't totally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 3 hours ago, garybusey said: It's an election between 2 candidates. Debates are pretty common. He comes off as a coward by refusing to accept an invitation to debate someone he constantly demeans as weak on all sorts of issues. I see that most of my rebuttals have been covered by other posters. Tell me, wouldn't you compare Moore's refusal to debate with a defendants right to not take the stand? Is that defendant a coward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 3 hours ago, Paulus said: Alabama conservatives* Still, it is such an important seat you are seeing conservatives outside Alabama endorse the guy, despite the allegations. Those conservatives do represent other districts. Though I tend to agree with you, an argument could be made regarding the sacrifice of morality in exchange for power/control would tarnish plenty of conservatives outside of Alabama. You may know more with regards to specifics in this instance, but all the congressional conservatives I can think of are calling for Moore to step aside, so I don't know what representatives of other districts you're referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 48 minutes ago, Azalin said: You may know more with regards to specifics in this instance, but all the congressional conservatives I can think of are calling for Moore to step aside, so I don't know what representatives of other districts you're referring to. If I had time I am sure I could find more specific references, but I seem to remember, whether legitimate or not, hearing claims that Trump supported a vote for Moore. I know I remember hearing other reports of cons supporting Moore, I just don't remember the specific who/when/how. 4 hours ago, DC Tom said: Any Democratic hand-wringing over this rapidly loses credibility over the simple fact that they want "the other guy" removed over allegations, while they support "their guy" in the face of actual photographic evidence. It's all posturing bull ****. Doesn't mean anything, and nothing will change. I agree, I am just referring to this specific instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 GOP to elect accused child molester 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 40 minutes ago, Tiberius said: GOP to elect accused child molester Stop... It subtracts from a conversation when people act like one side has more degenerates than the other. Further, I'm not sure he even wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Tibs dwells on child molestation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: GOP to elect accused child molester Anthony Weiner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: Anthony Weiner? He said "accused," not "proven." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, Doc said: He said "accused," not "proven." C'mon man, it was Carlos Danger who did the dirty deeds and framed Weiner! It's in the email! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Paulus said: Stop... It subtracts from a conversation when people act like one side has more degenerates than the other. Further, I'm not sure he even wins. Funny, I've been listening to Howard Stern from 3 weeks ago when this all began with Roy Moore and listening to him vilify the whole GOP. Saying that Alabama shouldn't be allowed to vote for a senator because they shouldn't elect a man like this who has molested people, and even talked about how people wanted Jeff sessions to resign and bwck tof Alabama. The best quote was that sessions could even be trusted because he lied to Al Franken, right to his face and Al Franken was one of the only Senator to have the wherewithal to question sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Howard rails against GOP candidates and is totally silent when his Dem buddies do worse things. He used to be good but is now a Hamptons phony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 11 hours ago, DC Tom said: Anthony Weiner? After the fact? You really jump with both feet into the false equivalency crap. I'd say we should just nick name you F E Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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