Theshallowcross Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 2 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: So Tyrod has escapbility. Why is everyone so fascinated with this? It has not led to w’s consistently. It seems to me that many want to believe he is the QB of the future because of all of these meaningless statistics. At the end of the day the real question is does the guy win? The answer so far has been: about half of the time. QB winzzzz. Such a faulty statistic. Seems strange when you dismiss other "meaningless statistics". 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: No one is excusing the line play. They took a dump against the Jets. But a good QB knows that he can't take seven sacks. Especially in an offense that is far from productive. Those sacks are killers. Get the ball out. Would you rather he throw interceptions?
transplantbillsfan Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: This is a fine case of cherry-picking stats. Why does "under pressure" matter more than "not under pressure"? You have to look at Tyrod's overall body of work to fairly evaluate him. But given that our OL isn't great in passpro, I am glad that Tyrod statistically thrives under pressure. But look at Brady's numbers under pressure. Unreal. And I don't necessarily disagree with CF. Dennison might yet prove good for Tyrod - and the offense in general - though there have been some issues with the offense during Rico's first 8 games with the franchise. Excited to see how the second half of the season unfolds. Well his overall numbers are good, too. He's 12 in the NFL in Passer Rating and 0.1 behind Russell Wilson at #11. I don't think this is about cherry picking, it's just pointing to something tons of people are critical of when it comes to Taylor and providing evidence to the contrary. Similarly, Taylor has the 7th highest Passer Rating in the NFL on 3rd down and has the 8th highest conversion % on 3rd down passes, despite having the 2nd most 3rd and 8+ yards in the entire NFL, behind only Phillip Rivers. Is that really cherry-picking? Or is it just bringing up a flaw that some posters have been driveling on about forever and pointing out that Taylor's doing better in that respect in 2017? For example, people have been really critical about Taylor throwing the football over the intermediate middle portion of the field. Well, according to NFL's Next Gen Stats, so far in 2017, Taylor's passes to the INTERMEDIATE THIRD of the field look like this: 13/16 (6.8% of his 2017 passes) with 2 TDs and 0 Interceptions. By comparison, Russell Wilson is 16/25 (8.3% of his 2017 passes) with 2 TDs and 1 Interception. 1
Wayne Arnold Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, Theshallowcross said: Would you rather he throw interceptions? I'd rather he throw completions or incompletions. Actually an interception would've been better than the sack-fumble.
Marty McFly Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: I'd rather he throw completions or incompletions. Actually an interception would've been better than the sack-fumble. That was bad but to be fair he rarley ever turns the ball over and the whole team played like trash so i wont crucify for that one.
transplantbillsfan Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Pressure is on the line. Sacks are more often than not on the quarterback. Wow. Dumb post. Boo!
Theshallowcross Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I'd rather he throw completions or incompletions. Actually an interception would've been better than the sack-fumble. He got hit from behind while scrambling. Literally every QB fumbles that ball
Alphadawg7 Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Stop getting sacked. Seven sacks in one game is absolutely inexcusable. How about you call the OL on that one...they were getting BLOWN up Thursday. Not saying he hasn't taken too many sacks before, but Thursday was mostly on the OL. Edited November 9, 2017 by Alphadawg7
Wayne Arnold Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 Latest DYAR QB rankings from Football Outsiders... 1. Tom Brady 2. Alex Smith 3. Drew Brees 4. Carson Wentz 5. Jared Goff 6. Dak Prescott 7. Ben Roethlisberger 8. Derek Carr 9. Case Keenum 10. Matt Ryan 11. Deshaun Watson 12. Matt Stafford 13. Kirk Cousins 14. Philip Rivers 15. Russ Wilson 16. Jameis Winston 17. Aaron Rodgers 18. Blake Bortles 19. Marcus Mariota 20. Tyrod Taylor 21. Carson Palmer 22. Eli Manning 23. Jay Cutler 24. Jacoby Brissett 25. Andy Dalton 26. Cam Newton 27. Brian Hoyer 28. Josh McCown 29. Trevor Siemian 30. CJ Beathard 31. Mike Glennon 32. Joe Flacco 33. Deshone Kizer
CanadianFan Posted November 9, 2017 Author Posted November 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Dorkington said: Unfortunately he's not good enough to drag along a struggling run game and a mediocre defense. Actually you're wrong about this aspect. I think Tyrod CAN help the run game - look at the last two years!!! That's what I referred to in my post - can we get the run schemes from last year into this year's offense? I know they incorporate some plays, but not enough!
Wayne Arnold Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Theshallowcross said: He got hit from behind while scrambling. Literally every QB fumbles that ball You guys are prepared with all kinds of excuses for poor Tyrod. He spent seven seconds dancing around behind the line of scrimmage. Had a wide open Tolbert for an easy completion if he had better awareness.
CanadianFan Posted November 9, 2017 Author Posted November 9, 2017 15 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Well his overall numbers are good, too. He's 12 in the NFL in Passer Rating and 0.1 behind Russell Wilson at #11. I don't think this is about cherry picking, it's just pointing to something tons of people are critical of when it comes to Taylor and providing evidence to the contrary. Similarly, Taylor has the 7th highest Passer Rating in the NFL on 3rd down and has the 8th highest conversion % on 3rd down passes, despite having the 2nd most 3rd and 8+ yards in the entire NFL, behind only Phillip Rivers. Is that really cherry-picking? Or is it just bringing up a flaw that some posters have been driveling on about forever and pointing out that Taylor's doing better in that respect in 2017? For example, people have been really critical about Taylor throwing the football over the intermediate middle portion of the field. Well, according to NFL's Next Gen Stats, so far in 2017, Taylor's passes to the INTERMEDIATE THIRD of the field look like this: 13/16 (6.8% of his 2017 passes) with 2 TDs and 0 Interceptions. By comparison, Russell Wilson is 16/25 (8.3% of his 2017 passes) with 2 TDs and 1 Interception. So THIS is what I'm talking about. I was too lazy to go and dig up stats from last two years. I BET you Tyrod's quarterback ratings have improved in every category with the exception of yards. And in contract, Siemian without Dennison is now the WORST. So he is something of a savant when it comes to your mere average to mediocre quarterbacks. Yes Dennison might be something of a decent QB whisperer. No where close to Doug Peterson, Sean McVay, Andy Reid. But def. better than McCoy. How IRONIC is that?
Patrick Duffy Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Stop getting sacked. Seven sacks in one game is absolutely inexcusable. I agree. Yeah a lot had to do with the Oline, but clearly Tyrod holds on to the ball way too long at times instead of throwing it away. Sometimes I'm screaming at the t.v , "get rid of the ball Tyrod"! Hopefully both improve b/c if not I don't see Tyrod making it healthy another 8 games. Edited November 9, 2017 by Patrick_Duffy
transplantbillsfan Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: You guys are prepared with all kinds of excuses for poor Tyrod. Well, you're prepared to criticize him for everything. He's probably responsible for world hunger!!!
BringBackOrton Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 Things that don't affect passer rating: 1. Scrambles 2. Sacks Things that Taylor does often: 1. Scrambles 2. Sacks Unsurprising that metrics that don't account for part of a player's game are different.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 3 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: So Tyrod has escapbility. Why is everyone so fascinated with this? It has not led to w’s consistently. It seems to me that many want to believe he is the QB of the future because of all of these meaningless statistics. At the end of the day the real question is does the guy win? The answer so far has been: about half of the time. Umm winning qb
Augie Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Pressure is on the line. Sacks are more often than not on the quarterback. That is often true, but his unique skill set is all the stuff he can do, and has done, after a lot of guys would have bailed. The good and the bad come in the same package.
grb Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Stop getting sacked. Seven sacks in one game is absolutely inexcusable. Pro Football Focus judged two of the sacks as Taylor's fault. Five sacks in one game is also inexcusable.
transplantbillsfan Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 5 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Things that don't affect passer rating: 1. Scrambles 2. Sacks Things that Taylor does often: 1. Scrambles 2. Sacks Unsurprising that metrics that don't account for part of a player's game are different. Scrambles = positive Sacks = negative What's your point exactly?
BullBuchanan Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 Passer rating is the +/- of the NFL. It means completely nothing and is massively weighted towards not throwing picks, which taylor refuses to do. I would expect him to be Top 10 passer rating in every category, because he plays to the design of the formula.
Thurman#1 Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Dorkington said: Unfortunately he's not good enough to drag along a struggling run game and a mediocre defense. Or an unproductive passing offense, in which the QB has been a part of the problem. Certainly not the whole problem, but a part of it. ... wait ... a mediocre defense? Jeez. The whole rest of the team has been an awful lot more mediocre than the defense. Edited November 9, 2017 by Thurman#1
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