B-Man Posted February 26, 2018 Posted February 26, 2018 LEGAL INSURRECTION: The Berniefication of the Democratic Party Is Almost Complete. Feinstein loses Cali Democrats, CAP pushes Medicare for All, and the DCCC attacks establishment Democrats By some accounts, Bernie might have had a real shot at the nomination in 2016, had it not been for rampant cheating at the DNC. But now that even the party’s national committee has been co-opted by the hard left, there’s no telling what kind of “democratic” socialist they could nominate for 2020. Or is there…? All Democrats — and their infotainment industry enablers — need to do is not act crazy, and they can’t even manage that. .
Tiberius Posted February 26, 2018 Author Posted February 26, 2018 25 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Of course they do. Their definition of "honest" being "we win," of course. Any other result is "Russian hacking." Well after getting Russian help, having a gerrymandered house, the senate being a Conservative institution with all those rural states, you guys can't complain too much.
Kelly101 Posted February 26, 2018 Posted February 26, 2018 Liberals are so unhinged they think shouting, name calling, and race baiting on a off forum of an nfl team is somehow winning. It's yahoo to huff post to cnn to....here LOL. Have fun simpletons.
Doc Brown Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 13 hours ago, B-Man said: LEGAL INSURRECTION: The Berniefication of the Democratic Party Is Almost Complete. Feinstein loses Cali Democrats, CAP pushes Medicare for All, and the DCCC attacks establishment Democrats By some accounts, Bernie might have had a real shot at the nomination in 2016, had it not been for rampant cheating at the DNC. But now that even the party’s national committee has been co-opted by the hard left, there’s no telling what kind of “democratic” socialist they could nominate for 2020. Or is there…? All Democrats — and their infotainment industry enablers — need to do is not act crazy, and they can’t even manage that. Yes. Because the establish Democrats have done a bang up job over the last decade. People underestimate Bernie like they underestimated Trump. They were both drawing 20k plus crowds and had the entire establishment against them. The difference is the DNC was better at rigging the primaries. If you want to win the white working class back, Bernie is your guy. If you want to continue playing identity politics and screaming how evil Trump is, take your pick of the litter of the other Dem candidates that will run. I just wish Bernie wasn't so fricken old and far to the left on certain issues.
/dev/null Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: People underestimate Bernie like they underestimated Trump. They were both drawing 20k plus crowds and had the entire establishment against them. Bernie and Trump had something else in common. They were running against the worst major party Presidential candidate in at least my lifetime
Nanker Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Bernie and Trump had something else in common. They were running against the worst major party Presidential candidate in at least my lifetime In the history of American politics. IMO.
row_33 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Bernie and Trump had something else in common. They were running against the worst major party Presidential candidate in at least my lifetime Carter McGovern Mondale Dukakis were way worse
snafu Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Yes. Because the establish Democrats have done a bang up job over the last decade. People underestimate Bernie like they underestimated Trump. They were both drawing 20k plus crowds and had the entire establishment against them. The difference is the DNC was better at rigging the primaries. If you want to win the white working class back, Bernie is your guy. If you want to continue playing identity politics and screaming how evil Trump is, take your pick of the litter of the other Dem candidates that will run. I just wish Bernie wasn't so fricken old and far to the left on certain issues. Sure, Bernie drew huge crowds of people who like free stuff. Bernie is lucky he got as far as he did because he was able to stop his campaign before he had to explain how any of his agenda was going to work. I still estimate Bernie to be a below standard candidate. And the difference between the Democratic Committee and the Republican Committee in the primaries was that the R's made a promise to run with Trump (if he won the primaries) if he made a promise not to run as a third party candidate (if he lost the primaries). The R's severely underestimated Trump and by the time they figured that out, it was too late. On the other hand, the D's used super delegates, a fawning press corps and rigged tactics to prop up their pre-chosen candidate -- how nice. Bernie, in response, scowled through the D convention, and then after the election he joined the Democratic leadership! What a sellout, phoney-baloney move. He might win the nomination by becoming an insider (or the next chosen one), but he won't ever get to the White House.
Wacka Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Bernie is a commie. Although he ran as a democrat he got elected as a socialist , which is commie light.
Nanker Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, Wacka said: Bernie is a commie. Although he ran as a democrat he got elected as a socialist , which is commie lite. Jiggly Jiggly!
Tiberius Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Yes. Because the establish Democrats have done a bang up job over the last decade. People underestimate Bernie like they underestimated Trump. They were both drawing 20k plus crowds and had the entire establishment against them. The difference is the DNC was better at rigging the primaries. If you want to win the white working class back, Bernie is your guy. If you want to continue playing identity politics and screaming how evil Trump is, take your pick of the litter of the other Dem candidates that will run. I just wish Bernie wasn't so fricken old and far to the left on certain issues. How were the primaries rigged?
row_33 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: How were the primaries rigged? seemed at one point Bernie won 9 of 10 and he didn't gain any ground on her. and she lost primaries and CNN excitedly told us it didn't matter because of Super Delegates and Super Secret Delegates that were in her pocket already and the voters for Bernie realized it was rigged and didn't show up to vote for her, with totally impunity
Tiberius Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 42 minutes ago, row_33 said: seemed at one point Bernie won 9 of 10 and he didn't gain any ground on her. and she lost primaries and CNN excitedly told us it didn't matter because of Super Delegates and Super Secret Delegates that were in her pocket already and the voters for Bernie realized it was rigged and didn't show up to vote for her, with totally impunity No, she just straight up won the most votes. The SDs were not a factor
row_33 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 i distinctly recall CNN telling me Bernie winning the primary was undercut by SuperDelegates already in her pocket those who wanted Bernie want ACTUAL CHANGE to TAKE EFFECT, not the same old same old neoliberal Clintonista talk talk talk and do nothing should be interesting to see if the real change people can take over the actual gears of the Democratic Party in the next decade, they cannot be ignored much longer... and it will destroy the Democratic Party, but it's deserved it for over 50 years now....
Tiberius Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: i distinctly recall CNN telling me Bernie winning the primary was undercut by SuperDelegates already in her pocket those who wanted Bernie want ACTUAL CHANGE to TAKE EFFECT, not the same old same old neoliberal Clintonista talk talk talk and do nothing should be interesting to see if the real change people can take over the actual gears of the Democratic Party in the next decade, they cannot be ignored much longer... and it will destroy the Democratic Party, but it's deserved it for over 50 years now.... She won the most votes. The Russians and GOP successfully made many people think Hillary stole the nomination. Probably a big factor in suppressing Hillary's turn out
/dev/null Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, row_33 said: Carter McGovern Mondale Dukakis were way worse Carter won in 1976 so there was a wose candidate McGivern is debatable. Terrible candidate but not despised on a bipartisan level like Hillary Mondale had the misfortune of running against Reagan in 1984. Even a strong Democratic nominee would have lost handily. Dukakis might have been a stronger candidate if he didn't have to run against the shadow of Reagan
row_33 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Carter won in 1976 so there was a wose candidate McGivern is debatable. Terrible candidate but not despised on a bipartisan level like Hillary Mondale had the misfortune of running against Reagan in 1984. Even a strong Democratic nominee would have lost handily. Dukakis might have been a stronger candidate if he didn't have to run against the shadow of Reagan Carter winning was a Timothy Leary "tune in turn on drop out" moment in the flesh... it doesn't really count... the biggest blip in US election history.... and c'mon, the Dems have lost 3 recent elections to W and Trump, who were totally laughed out of the park by all the geniuses....
Tiberius Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 CNN reports: [A new CNN] poll finds 54% of registered voters say they back a Democrat in their congressional district, 38% say they back a Republican. That’s a shift in favor of the Democrats since January, bringing their advantage in a hypothetical generic matchup to about the same level as early 2006, a year in which the party won control of both the House and the Senate. This also mirrors their advantage on the question last fall, before a January full of good economic news brought a shift toward more positive numbers for both President Donald Trump and his party. The same poll also found Trump’s approval rating declining — a metric that’s frequently closely tied to his party’s performance in a midterm election year. Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents are more excited (51 percent) about the election than are their GOP (41 percent) counterparts. 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Carter won in 1976 so there was a wose candidate McGivern is debatable. Terrible candidate but not despised on a bipartisan level like Hillary Mondale had the misfortune of running against Reagan in 1984. Even a strong Democratic nominee would have lost handily. Dukakis might have been a stronger candidate if he didn't have to run against the shadow of Reagan And Bush Sr. was not a bad candidate at all. Pretty good actually. I voted for him 1
Doc Brown Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 6 hours ago, Tiberius said: How were the primaries rigged? Superdelegates all pledged for Clinton turns suppressing voter turnout, scheduled debates during prime time football games, and cable news wouldn't broadcast his rallies because they were all in for Clinton. She used her money and power to prevent more prominent Democrats from running against her (Biden, Warren, Hicklenhooper) which ironically helped Bernie who most of the country never even heard of. It it wasn't rigged, it was certainly clear that Democratic elites made Hillary's nomination as inevitable and preordained as possible.
IDBillzFan Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Superdelegates all pledged for Clinton turns suppressing voter turnout, scheduled debates during prime time football games, and cable news wouldn't broadcast his rallies because they were all in for Clinton. She used her money and power to prevent more prominent Democrats from running against her (Biden, Warren, Hicklenhooper) which ironically helped Bernie who most of the country never even heard of. It it wasn't rigged, it was certainly clear that Democratic elites made Hillary's nomination as inevitable and preordained as possible. You probably know this, but while people on the right are happy to show dysfunction in the DNC ranks, this is good for the Democratic party. The party forced Hillary, and most people know that Trump didn't win so much as Hillary lost. (Conversely, I would argue Obama won more than Romney or McCain lost). So the dysfunction is good as it tends to foster positive change. Unfortunately, your party will need to weed out the tiberius/gatorman/baskin/LA Grants, who simply believe the only reason the Democrats have been getting their asses handed to them is because their message is tilted by an overwhelmingly right-leaning media. We both know that's just small-minded thinking. Hopefully, for the sake of solid competition, debates and discussions, a more rational DNC will emerge instead away from the current far, far, far left elitists of Pelosi, Warren, Shumer. We laugh, but John McCain would make a great Democrat these days. Edited February 27, 2018 by LABillzFan
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