Woods, watkins TDs

[teef]

25 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Isn't it interesting how so many apologist Bills fans can overlook drastic improvements made by other teams when they deal them their star players?

 

That offense is just smoking the opposition.........they made the imposing Jags look kinda' helpless on their own turf a couple weeks ago...........but yeah I am sure they are lamenting trading for Watkins.

 

Meanwhile Bills receiving corps thru first 1/3 of the season was as bad as the NFL has seen in 20 years.

I can't wait for the bills to trade a second round pick for a decoy.  I can hardly contain myself. 

Edited November 8, 2017 by teef

[CLTbills]

On 11/5/2017 at 2:18 PM, Foreigner said:

If you watch the roundup shows tonight you will see the Rams Robert Woods 53 yard receiving TD, and Sammy Watkins

67 yard receiving TD and the first half is not over yet.

I guess with talent, the cream always rises to the top  

Wow. Against the Giants. I'm SO impressed!!

[HappyDays]

43 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Isn't it interesting how so many apologist Bills fans can overlook drastic improvements made by other teams when they deal them their star players?

 

That offense is just smoking the opposition.........they made the imposing Jags look kinda' helpless on their own turf a couple weeks ago...........but yeah I am sure they are lamenting trading for Watkins.

 

Meanwhile Bills receiving corps thru first 1/3 of the season was as bad as the NFL has seen in 20 years.

 

I would bet they are privately lamenting the trade for Sammy. A 2nd round pick for his production for one season isn’t remotely worth it. And yes I believe he will not be there past this season. It worked out for them anyways with Kupp and Woods becoming a great duo, but it was a waste of a pick. Sammy is the 5th most impactful player on their offense at best, and that’s not including anyone on the offensive line.

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I would bet they are privately lamenting the trade for Sammy. A 2nd round pick for his production for one season isn’t remotely worth it. And yes I believe he will not be there past this season. It worked out for them anyways with Kupp and Woods becoming a great duo, but it was a waste of a pick. Sammy is the 5th most impactful player on their offense at best, and that’s not including anyone on the offensive line.

I would bet anything they love the trade and McVay knows without question that he's a big part of them being able to do what they are doing. They have the best offense in the league. There is no way he laments the trade even if they don't re-sign him. They're going to the playoffs in all likelihood.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

49 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Isn't it interesting how so many apologist Bills fans can overlook drastic improvements made by other teams when they deal them their star players?

 

That offense is just smoking the opposition.........they made the imposing Jags look kinda' helpless on their own turf a couple weeks ago...........but yeah I am sure they are lamenting trading for Watkins.

 

Meanwhile Bills receiving corps thru first 1/3 of the season was as bad as the NFL has seen in 20 years.

And how much of that is on sammy?

Not much.

 

How much of that is on Gurley?

A metric !@#$ton.

 

My victory lap continues unabated.

 

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I would bet anything they love the trade and McVay knows without question that he's a big part of them being able to do what they are doing. They have the best offense in the league. There is no way he laments the trade even if they don't re-sign him. They're going to the playoffs in all likelihood.

 

Making the playoffs doesn’t mean the trade was a success. 19 receptions for 331 yards and 3 TDs through half the season. That is embarrassingly low production for a player they traded a 2nd round pick for in a contract year. They won’t be able to pay him what he can get on the open market.

[teef]

23 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I would bet anything they love the trade and McVay knows without question that he's a big part of them being able to do what they are doing. They have the best offense in the league. There is no way he laments the trade even if they don't re-sign him. They're going to the playoffs in all likelihood.

And you really think this is in a large part due to Sammy presence?  

[Kelly the Dog]

1 hour ago, teef said:

And you really think this is in a large part due to Sammy presence?  

I have watched every play of every game. Their offense has a lot of weapons. He draws a lot of coverage. A lot of times they just split him out wide alone on one side and then bunch everyone else up on the other. The defense almost invariably has a CB right on him and a S to that side or motions to that affect. Goff gets the play and decides usually beforehand where he is going to look. At the guy that is going to be a matchup problem. It's not like he goes through a bunch of progressions. Woods, Kupp and either of the two TEs often just run free in the middle of the field. I guarantee that McVay thinks he's a huge part of their offense.

 

On the Woods 3-34 TD they did that. Split Sammy wide no one else on that side of the field. Two guys played him straight up. On the other side they threw a WR screen to Woods. There werent enough guys to tackle him. Then Sammy blocked the safety, too, as Woods came by. He directly had a huge influence on that score.

 

On his TD they didnt bring the S over, or at least he was facing away from Sammy not covering him. He had one guy to beat. Beat him bad and was wide open for the long score.

Edited November 9, 2017 by Kelly the Dog

[ndirish1978]

On 11/5/2017 at 2:25 PM, todd said:

So what is the point? The Bills should have kept Woods and Watkins? I'd love to hear a logical, well-reasoned argument for that one!

 

Obviously because we need updates on every ex-Bill who makes a play in the NFL for another team.  

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I have watched every play of every game. Their offense has a lot of weapons. He draws a lot of coverage. A lot of times they just split him out wide alone on one side and then bunch everyone else up on the other. The defense almost invariably has a CB right on him and a S to that side or motions to that affect. Goff gets the play and decides usually beforehand where he is going to look. At the guy that is going to be a matchup problem. It's not like he goes through a bunch of progressions. Woods, Kupp and either of the two TEs often just run free in the middle of the field. I guarantee that McVay thinks he's a huge part of their offense.

 

On the Woods 3-34 TD they did that. Split Sammy wide no one else on that side of the field. Two guys played him straight up. On the other side they threw a WR screen to Woods. There werent enough guys to tackle him. Then Sammy blocked the safety, too, as Woods came by. He directly had a huge influence on that score.

 

On his TD they didnt bring the S over, or at least he was facing away from Sammy not covering him. He had one guy to beat. Beat him bad and was wide open for the long score.

Actually he draws the opposing teams #1 cover with usually help.  Goff doesn't even look his direction, however he impacts the play.  31 targets is pathetic and ranked 121 in the league and he's been healthy.  

 

The Rams are succeeding with a QB much worse then TT, but an OC who knows what he's doing.  Watkins will be fine, just unfortunate to see Goff unable to utilize him.....

[teef]

14 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I have watched every play of every game. Their offense has a lot of weapons. He draws a lot of coverage. A lot of times they just split him out wide alone on one side and then bunch everyone else up on the other. The defense almost invariably has a CB right on him and a S to that side or motions to that affect. Goff gets the play and decides usually beforehand where he is going to look. At the guy that is going to be a matchup problem. It's not like he goes through a bunch of progressions. Woods, Kupp and either of the two TEs often just run free in the middle of the field. I guarantee that McVay thinks he's a huge part of their offense.

 

On the Woods 3-34 TD they did that. Split Sammy wide no one else on that side of the field. Two guys played him straight up. On the other side they threw a WR screen to Woods. There werent enough guys to tackle him. Then Sammy blocked the safety, too, as Woods came by. He directly had a huge influence on that score.

 

On his TD they didnt bring the S over, or at least he was facing away from Sammy not covering him. He had one guy to beat. Beat him bad and was wide open for the long score.

i'm sure you have, and i'm sure you have a much better understanding on the rams offense, but i think people are trying to hard to plump up sammy's importance to that team.  i agree that with having him on the field helps, but as others have mentioned, it's just not worth the 2nd pick and a player for a guy that's probably going to be a one year rental.  if sammy is so important, do you think the rams production is going to fall off the side of the earth next year if he leaves?  i certainly don't, although i could be wrong.

 

if the bills made a similar move and traded a for a guy who has so little production, some of the same posters who are praising la would be destroying the bills.  some people were so bent out of shape by the watkins trade, that no matter how bad it works out, they'll find a way to defend it.  

[teef]

12 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Actually he draws the opposing teams #1 cover with usually help.  Goff doesn't even look his direction, however he impacts the play.  31 targets is pathetic and ranked 121 in the league and he's been healthy.  

 

The Rams are succeeding with a QB much worse then TT, but an OC who knows what he's doing.  Watkins will be fine, just unfortunate to see Goff unable to utilize him.....

in what world is goff a much worse qb than tt?  this is my point...some posters are trying far too hard to defend this trade for la. 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, teef said:

in what world is goff a much worse qb than tt?  this is my point...some posters are trying far too hard to defend this trade for la. 

 

Much worse?   No.

 

TT better than Goff?  Probably.

 

If you watch Goff, he is not as accurate a passer as Taylor.........doesn't have a very good deep ball(though the throw to Sammy was perfect Sunday) and of course he doesn't bring much to the table athletically.

 

They've really propped him up with good coaching.......but even moreso by investing in talent on offense...........the same could be said of Wentz but I think Wentz is more gifted.

 

It's something I've long promoted and the Bills have rarely done for their QB's.

 

Rather than make your QB prove himself before you put talent around him.........put talent around him FIRST.

 

Bills did something similar in 2015 and the early returns on the first year starter Taylor and the Bills offense were tremendous.   Taylor was on an incredible completion % pace and the O was  scoring big and with chunk plays.

 

Then a number of injuries happened and he never really had all of his weapons back together healthy until the end of 2016.

 

Take the stars away from Goff and he's in trouble too..........he's more of a cog in that machine than he is the primary piece.

[Billsfan1972]

35 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Much worse?   No.

 

TT better than Goff?  Probably.

 

If you watch Goff, he is not as accurate a passer as Taylor.........doesn't have a very good deep ball(though the throw to Sammy was perfect Sunday) and of course he doesn't bring much to the table athletically.

 

They've really propped him up with good coaching.......but even moreso by investing in talent on offense...........the same could be said of Wentz but I think Wentz is more gifted.

 

It's something I've long promoted and the Bills have rarely done for their QB's.

 

Rather than make your QB prove himself before you put talent around him.........put talent around him FIRST.

 

Bills did something similar in 2015 and the early returns on the first year starter Taylor and the Bills offense were tremendous.   Taylor was on an incredible completion % pace and the O was  scoring big and with chunk plays.

 

Then a number of injuries happened and he never really had all of his weapons back together healthy until the end of 2016.

 

Take the stars away from Goff and he's in trouble too..........he's more of a cog in that machine than he is the primary piece.

Yes bang on.....  He really is succeeding thanks to very good coaching an innovative offense and good weapons.

 

How anyone in there right mind doesn't look and see that Kupp has way more targets then Watkins and not see a problem is just trying to further their anti-watkins stance.

 

BTW the bomb to Watkins was a great catch as he turned on the jets to get to the ball......

[Royale with Cheese]

27 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Yes bang on.....  He really is succeeding thanks to very good coaching an innovative offense and good weapons.

 

How anyone in there right mind doesn't look and see that Kupp has way more targets then Watkins and not see a problem is just trying to further their anti-watkins stance.

 

BTW the bomb to Watkins was a great catch as he turned on the jets to get to the ball......

 

You're right....the Rams offense is a problem.  Let's not focus on them leading the league in points, lets focus on them not giving Watkins enough targets.

 

Is it really that hard to give Goff credit?

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Much worse?   No.

 

TT better than Goff?  Probably.

 

If you watch Goff, he is not as accurate a passer as Taylor.........doesn't have a very good deep ball(though the throw to Sammy was perfect Sunday) and of course he doesn't bring much to the table athletically.

 

They've really propped him up with good coaching.......but even moreso by investing in talent on offense...........the same could be said of Wentz but I think Wentz is more gifted.

 

It's something I've long promoted and the Bills have rarely done for their QB's.

 

Rather than make your QB prove himself before you put talent around him.........put talent around him FIRST.

 

Bills did something similar in 2015 and the early returns on the first year starter Taylor and the Bills offense were tremendous.   Taylor was on an incredible completion % pace and the O was  scoring big and with chunk plays.

 

Then a number of injuries happened and he never really had all of his weapons back together healthy until the end of 2016.

 

Take the stars away from Goff and he's in trouble too..........he's more of a cog in that machine than he is the primary piece.

 

 

I would say Goff is a much more accurate passer than Taylor....much more.

Goff is in his 2nd year and Taylor is in his 7th.  Goff is having a great year now, coming off of a really bad rookie season so there's not enough of a sample size to determine who is better.  However Goff's strength is accuracy.

Edited November 9, 2017 by Royale with Cheese

[Billsfan1972]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You're right....the Rams offense is a problem.  Let's not focus on them leading the league in points, lets focus on them not giving Watkins enough targets.

 

Is it really that hard to give Goff credit?

 

 

I would say Goff is a much more accurate passer than Taylor....much more.

Goff is in his 2nd year and Taylor is in his 7th.  Goff is having a great year now, coming off of a really bad rookie season so there's not enough of a sample size to determine who is better.  However Goff's strength is accuracy.

You aren't watching...... His accuracy is actually not great.  He's missed Watkins on many of those 31 targets (along with other receivers).  He doesn't have a great feel for the pockets or his reads and he's successful thinks to great playcalling.  Will he get better, hopefully (if you're a fan), but right now he is just okay and the coaching and pieces around him very good.

 

TT is a better QB.  On Buffalo Goff would be a disaster.

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

You aren't watching...... His accuracy is actually not great.  He's missed Watkins on many of those 31 targets (along with other receivers).  He doesn't have a great feel for the pockets or his reads and he's successful thinks to great playcalling.  Will he get better, hopefully (if you're a fan), but right now he is just okay and the coaching and pieces around him very good.

 

TT is a better QB.  On Buffalo Goff would be a disaster.

Totally agree on the bold. He would get absolutely abused on the Bills. At least at this point in his career on this Bills team.

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

You aren't watching...... His accuracy is actually not great.  He's missed Watkins on many of those 31 targets (along with other receivers).  He doesn't have a great feel for the pockets or his reads and he's successful thinks to great playcalling.  Will he get better, hopefully (if you're a fan), but right now he is just okay and the coaching and pieces around him very good.

 

TT is a better QB.  On Buffalo Goff would be a disaster.

 

These are the same struggles that Taylor has had.  Pocket awareness, missing WR's, accuracy suspect....

 Goff's sample size isn't large enough right now to make a determination but when you're the starting QB of a team that's averaging 33 points per game....you're doing a lot of things right.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

You aren't watching...... His accuracy is actually not great.  He's missed Watkins on many of those 31 targets (along with other receivers).  He doesn't have a great feel for the pockets or his reads and he's successful thinks to great playcalling.  Will he get better, hopefully (if you're a fan), but right now he is just okay and the coaching and pieces around him very good.

 

TT is a better QB.  On Buffalo Goff would be a disaster.

 

 

Goff finally reached a 60% completion rate on the season with a strong showing in his last game.........despite playing with all that receiving talent and the high powered offense.

 

He has been heavily propped up to date..........but if the play calling is great and the playmakers stay healthy there is not necessarily an end in sight.

 

 

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

These are the same struggles that Taylor has had.  Pocket awareness, missing WR's, accuracy suspect....

 Goff's sample size isn't large enough right now to make a determination but when you're the starting QB of a team that's averaging 33 points per game....you're doing a lot of things right.

 

I mean, that was Tyrod the first month of the 2015 season.......no?

 

Propped up by playmakers.........everyone healthy.

 

Except Tyrod was completing over 70% of his passes every week.

 

Since then it's either been injured receivers and tight ends or just a general disinterest in putting talent around him like this past offseason.

 

 

 

 

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