BullBuchanan Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Well reading through this thread it's clear most won't budge. Some previously adamant anTy Taylor guys are demonstrating actual flexibility and objectivity like JaCrispy, which is impressive. Some clearly didn't even watch the game. Some are hanging all over Romo's jock as a commentator, which is pretty funny. This entire discussion is old and stale for many reasons, but some people have a vision of what they need their QB to be and Taylor will never be it, despite the obvious steps forward he's taken in his game. Oh, what's a Franchise QB? Are people seriously just equating Franchise QB with an Elite QB? I remember GoBills808 once defined Franchise QB as a QB who starts for the same team for 5 straight years. That means Dalton and Flacco would be Franchise QBs. Who here would do a straight up trade of Taylor for Flacco/Dalton? Flacco is terrible. Dalton is not great. i put him at about even footing with Taylor, but he's such a drastically different player. I think he'd be more successful here because Cinci is toxic, and they've never been able to run the ball. I don't think he'd lead us to a Super Bowl either, but he'd a be a 2-3 win upgrade. But no, I wouldn't want him if he became available.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 ...hard to deny this young man's drive, initiative, work ethic, commitment to team despite his shortcomings unless you purely want him to fail for whatever reason.......his failure hurts the TEAM unless that has no bearing on your personal dislike........only to toot your "I told you he sucks horn", repugnant as it is......is he a "franchise guy"?....probably not.......he won't be the guy who takes command and leads the club to numerous come from behind 4th quarter victories......can he be an effective game manager that keeps things close?....probably.....that is my perspective of what you are working with.....pedestrian with nothing flashy or huge upside to dramatically turn the tide when the game is on the line late............ 1
BullBuchanan Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...hard to deny this young man's drive, initiative, work ethic, commitment to team despite his shortcomings unless you purely want him to fail for whatever reason.......his failure hurts the TEAM unless that has no bearing on your personal dislike........only to toot your "I told you he sucks horn", repugnant as it is......is he a "franchise guy"?....probably not.......he won't be the guy who takes command and leads the club to numerous come from behind 4th quarter victories......can he be an effective game manager that keeps things close?....probably.....that is my perspective of what you are working with.....pedestrian with nothing flashy or huge upside to dramatically turn the tide when the game is on the line late............ +1
Koko78 Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 32 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: On the flip side, a "Franchise QB" needs almost 60 TDs per season, to you? Now you're just going full retard.
BringBackOrton Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 5 hours ago, HappyDays said: I bet most GMs in this past offseason would have taken Glennon over Tyrod too. That’s because NFL GMs are regularly terrible and don’t know how to make good predictions. Brock Osweiler got a huge contract! Joe Flacco was the highest paid QB ever at the time when he got his extension, and since then has done absolutely nothing to live up to it. At the beginning of this year I’ll bet a decent percentage of GMs would have said they would take Siemian over Tyrod. Now, no chance. So I really don’t care what the average GM would do. They mostly suck at their job. Winston and Mariota have flashed potential but they’re as inconsistent as anyone. If you watched the Titans closely like you do the Bills, what would your reaction be when they narrowly defeated the Browns in OT in a game with all field goals? Are you having horrendous QB takes on purpose bro?
BringBackOrton Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 37 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Well reading through this thread it's clear most won't budge. Some previously adamant anTy Taylor guys are demonstrating actual flexibility and objectivity like JaCrispy, which is impressive. Some clearly didn't even watch the game. Some are hanging all over Romo's jock as a commentator, which is pretty funny. This entire discussion is old and stale for many reasons, but some people have a vision of what they need their QB to be and Taylor will never be it, despite the obvious steps forward he's taken in his game. Oh, what's a Franchise QB? Are people seriously just equating Franchise QB with an Elite QB? I remember GoBills808 once defined Franchise QB as a QB who starts for the same team for 5 straight years. That means Dalton and Flacco would be Franchise QBs. Who here would do a straight up trade of Taylor for Flacco/Dalton? It's weird, don't you think TT isn't a franchise QB too?
Scott7975 Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Agreed. I dont have an issue if people doubt Taylor as the long term answer and still want to draft a QB next year. Its fair to have that opinion as he still has more to prove over the rest of the season one way or the other. However, anyone pinning the Thursday game on is either doing so because they just cant get passed their blind hatred of TT and are making a very biased statement, or they just really don't understand football like they think they do. And that's just the harsh truth. It wasn't a perfect game by Taylor or anyone on the team, but its a minor miracle that TT not only left the game healthy, but that he was able to accomplish even what he did. Everyone on that team was letting him down from dropped passes, fumbles, and most importantly the revolving door of the OL. The defense failed in all phases of the game too, and I don't think Denison did a very good job either. Taylor and Zay really felt like the only guys ready to play Thursday. Kid showed that he is tough as nails, standing in there taking huge hit after huge hit to get the pass off. How anyone could root against him right now is beyond me, this kid has more hearth than any Bills player we have seen in a long time. And his teammates seem to think the same too. Exactly. Taylor and Zay were the only two people on the team that came to play. They played tough, hard, and with heart. They were also good. Yet here are all the people that absolutely hate Tyrod and are so threatened by him they think the Bills will again skip drafting a QB so they have to spew their hatred... as usual blaming Tyrod. Sorry guys but Tyrod was the best player in the game on Thursday. Like you I also take no issue with people wanting the Bills to draft another QB for the future. I tend to agree with that. What I don't care for is people that are so in hatred mode that the end of the world is Tyrods fault no matter what happened.
Scott7975 Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Ga boy said: Romo's best point of the night was that he must throw the ball away instead of a sack. Difference between 3rd and 8 and 3rd and 15. Can someone call TT and tell him to just throw it away??!! He was better at stepping up in the pocket at the end. Also, he needs to learn the Brady side step. C'mon man, this isn't that hard. Look at the link and find the play from behind the pocket view. That is the Brady sidestep. Then look at the blanketed receivers that he didn't have to throw to. Then look at where he went down. That was one of the sacks. At best it lost a yard. Its tough to throw the ball away when there is no pocket. Its tough to sidestep in a pocket when there is no pocket. Look at the plays and read the analysis. He had no chance and did everything he could. Sure you can call out a play or two and say TYROD YOU SUCK!!!. Every QB in the league has those same plays or twos or threes. You all act like other QBs score on drive after drive after drive. Most of the time that doesn't happen. Every time Taylor was driving the pocket collapsed, Dennison called consecutive plays to Tolbert, someone fumbled the ball, or someone dropped the ball. Taylor can't play every position. Tyrod was an absolute gamer in the harshest of conditions and some haters are being just that... hating just to hate.
transplantbillsfan Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: Now you're just going full retard. Resorting to name calling now? Go read your own words. the wheels seem to be falling off for the anTy argument
Koko78 Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 19 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Resorting to name calling now? Go read your own words. the wheels seem to be falling off for the anTy argument No, pointing out you being stupid is not name calling. It's pointing out that you're being stupid. Stop being stupid, and I would not have to point it out for you. Though it's cute that you think I'm anti Tyrod. You never disappoint when you get on your high horse.
Alphadawg7 Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 2 hours ago, billsfan11 said: But a lot of what you are saying is pure speculation as well. How do you know he would be the top FA? That alone is speculation and a guess He obviously stayed in Buffalo to make a business decision. Would he be staying in Buffalo if he was making 700k a year? No, there were obviously a lot of factors that went into it. Teams don't have to negotiate with him for him to know the market out there and what he would be making. You are telling me his agent didn't do his homework and gave Tyrod a rough estimate of what he would be making in the free agent market? Come on man. That is the agents job and with millions of dollars on the line, don't tell me Tyrod didn't think about what was best for him from a financial standpoint and as well from a performance perspective. They can give a great ball park figure to what their clients will be making. now, and even in the future with QBS virtually getting bigger contracts every year. I am not saying Tyrod couldn't have made more going somewhere else, but I also will say that him and agent knew a ballpark figure to what he would be making, and he would rather come back to Buffalo on almost a prove it type of contract, so he can cash in a couple years. Buffalo was most likely his best chance to succeed as well, which again, equals more money after this short term contract. Is this speculation? Of course, but it also makes sense. Unless you believe that TT would take a 30-50 million dollar reduction just to say he wants to play in Buffalo because he loves it here. Tyrod isn't staying in Buffalo because he has some sort of an unconditional bond for this city.. He is doing it because it is a business move with lots of factors involved. Dude, you keep saying his agent told them there is no money. There is ZERO evidence of that on any level. This is a scenario you have decided to create. On the other hand, Tyrod REPEATEDLY stated he did NOT want to leave Buffalo. Every single piece of factual evidence states his preference was to remain in Buffalo regardless. You have no idea if there was LESS or MORE money available in FA. His agent could have been urging him to not restructure and take more money somewhere else for all you know, but you have completely made up your own version of events that completely contradict every single thing publicly stated at every step of the way. And I am sorry, I am not speculating on whether he would have been top FA QB on the market, he absolutely 100% would have been the best QB available over anyone last FA period. Glennon was NOT a better FA, couldn't keep his own job on any of the chances he had, and only got a good deal because there was garbage on the market. TT is a 2 year starter, with 2 Pro Bowl invites, a terrific TD:INT ratio, and lethal with his legs. You want to call it "speculation" about stating he was the top FA on the market had he been cut, well go ahead. But I doubt many in the NFL would have felt the same, especially since so many kept saying he would be the best FA had Buffalo cut him. Again, I respect you as a poster, so its all good man. But you and I are WAY far apart on this. Everything you have said had exactly zero to back it up. Tyrod CLEARLY stated he wanted to be here, period. Then he backed that and restructured to stay despite the fact he could have EASILY gotten the same if not more money on the open market. There was literally a ZERO percent chance he would have gotten a worse deal than he has now on the open market. Thats just NFL economics. He is here because he wanted to be here.
BillsFan130 Posted November 4, 2017 Posted November 4, 2017 53 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Dude, you keep saying his agent told them there is no money. There is ZERO evidence of that on any level. This is a scenario you have decided to create. On the other hand, Tyrod REPEATEDLY stated he did NOT want to leave Buffalo. Every single piece of factual evidence states his preference was to remain in Buffalo regardless. You have no idea if there was LESS or MORE money available in FA. His agent could have been urging him to not restructure and take more money somewhere else for all you know, but you have completely made up your own version of events that completely contradict every single thing publicly stated at every step of the way. And I am sorry, I am not speculating on whether he would have been top FA QB on the market, he absolutely 100% would have been the best QB available over anyone last FA period. Glennon was NOT a better FA, couldn't keep his own job on any of the chances he had, and only got a good deal because there was garbage on the market. TT is a 2 year starter, with 2 Pro Bowl invites, a terrific TD:INT ratio, and lethal with his legs. You want to call it "speculation" about stating he was the top FA on the market had he been cut, well go ahead. But I doubt many in the NFL would have felt the same, especially since so many kept saying he would be the best FA had Buffalo cut him. Again, I respect you as a poster, so its all good man. But you and I are WAY far apart on this. Everything you have said had exactly zero to back it up. Tyrod CLEARLY stated he wanted to be here, period. Then he backed that and restructured to stay despite the fact he could have EASILY gotten the same if not more money on the open market. There was literally a ZERO percent chance he would have gotten a worse deal than he has now on the open market. Thats just NFL economics. He is here because he wanted to be here. I appreciate you saying you have respect for me, as I definitely respect all your posts as well. Ya we are pretty far off here. Like you said, all good. You're right in saying that there is no evidence in what I said. There isn't any and it's just my personal opinion. You very may well be right. Anyways bud, enjoy the rest of your Saturday night 1
Alphadawg7 Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I appreciate you saying you have respect for me, as I definitely respect all your posts as well. Ya we are pretty far off here. Like you said, all good. You're right in saying that there is no evidence in what I said. There isn't any and it's just my personal opinion. You very may well be right. Anyways bud, enjoy the rest of your Saturday night You too man, again, nothing but respect for you...this is just one of those cases where we will agree to disagree. No love lost. PS: My use of caps on certain words (as always) was just to emphasize key words, not to yell.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 15 TD per season really isn’t a lot to brag about. Show us 25 to 30 and no one would complain.
transplantbillsfan Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 2 hours ago, jmc12290 said: It's weird, don't you think TT isn't a franchise QB too? What quote of mine are you responding to?
mead107 Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: From when we lost it during spring forward.... it was a joke. Apparently a bad one. 13-3 Baby
BringBackOrton Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: What quote of mine are you responding to? I feel like we all decided TT probably wasn't a franchise QB at some point this season. So that's a big reason why this debate is silly and tired. It's picking at straws.
Augie Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 28 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: You too man, again, nothing but respect for you...this is just one of those cases where we will agree to disagree. No love lost. PS: My use of caps on certain words (as always) was just to emphasize key words, not to yell. Does the new format have a “get a room” button?
transplantbillsfan Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 3 hours ago, jmc12290 said: It's weird, don't you think TT isn't a franchise QB too? TBD and borderline but making the case as one so far
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