mannc Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 He played well when it didn't count, So the first half (11-14, 115 yards, 1 TD) didn't count? See, when you make an asinine statement like that, it makes me hope that your post count will remain at 23.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 This is exactly what we all want and calling guys like majbobby haters is missing the point. I want a shut down corners, 60 yd field goals, a pro bowl OL, 3 Shady clones at RB, and 20 sack edge rushers. Taylor isn't the only thing holding this team back but he is one of the things and he is the ONLY one that touches the ball on every offensive play and thus gets to impact the outcome of every play he's on the field. His play is critical and I don't want to settle for a QB who's just OK. Saying he's improving is whistling past the graveyard. How many NFL QBs would have been better under those EXACT same circumstances last night? I think that 7 sacks was the absolute minimum that any QB would have had yesterday. Tyrod was blamed for 2 but he escaped at least 2 that only he would. He completed 72% of the passes. This was just so bad up front you cant blame the QB or backs. They had no prayer.
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 I am not excusing that part. I am excusing the ultra conservative, vanilla game plan. Run, run, pass. That was basically the game plan last night. And he refused to switch it up. It honestly reminded me of Nate Hackett. What did you want him to do with no blocking?? Honestly the Rico blaming is ridiculous. That is among the worst offensive line performances I have ever seen. Every time he called a pass there was someone on Tyrod as fast as the snap got there. He was trying to use their aggression against them with delayed runs that didn't work.... he called play action on 1st down three times by my count and the Jets were all over every one. When your line blocks like that you could have Bill Walsh and Vince Lombardi as co-coordinators and your offense would suck.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 Because the DTs were breezing past our interior OL like I breeze past the health foods aisle in the supermarket.Im just not a believer that you get bigger in those situations. If you are being dominated by the front 7 my response is to get front 7 players off the field and DBs on.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 Some of those guys have an obvious agenda going back to the BBMB......im one always open to upgrading the QB position if its available (i think TT is our best option and has been playing pretty good)...Taylor could play like Brady in a game and if they lose they will still clamour about the QB position..... If Taylor ever clones a Brady game, I'll reconsider. TT has one major deficiency that cannot be corrected: his height. I believe it's a major reason he often has difficulty locating receivers. Yes, a stout, dependable OL would help. BTW, why is Mills even on this or any other NFL team? He just stands there, helpless, as defenders race by him time and again.
grb Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) This is exactly what we all want and calling guys like majbobby haters is missing the point. I want a shut down corners, 60 yd field goals, a pro bowl OL, 3 Shady clones at RB, and 20 sack edge rushers. Taylor isn't the only thing holding this team back but he is one of the things and he is the ONLY one that touches the ball on every offensive play and thus gets to impact the outcome of every play he's on the field. His play is critical and I don't want to settle for a QB who's just OK. Saying he's improving is whistling past the graveyard. I'm being repetitive, but who here isn't? Explain what you see when you look at these numbers : New York - Week 1 : The running backs gain 154 yards at 4.47 yards a carry. Taylor throws for 224 yards, runs for 38 yards. New York - Week 9 : The running backs gain 28 yards at 1.75 yards a carry. Taylor throws for 285 yards, runs for 35 yards It's like a Rorschach Test. If you see Taylor as the problem here, you may have an issue - with some fancy psychology name no doubt...... Edited November 3, 2017 by grb
xRUSHx Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 Funny, call out. Even Romo seen what we called out. Question is how many OCs does Tyrod get before we have a competent staff smart enough to see after 3 of them it's not the OC that is the problem. On to OC #4 because of course it's not Tyrod fault, it's everyone elses just like Trent and Fitz, groundhogs day all over again.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Denver - you can attribute that victory to the Defense holding the Broncos to 16 points. Tyrod’s 197 yards passing in that game is hardly what carried the day. In the modern era NFL it is rare that a 175 yard passing day is going to equal a victory. Atlanta - you can say the exact same thing. Tyrod had even fewer yards with 164. The above only cement my thoughts that Tyrod has a definite ceiling and to not see it is beyond me. The bills coaching staff is having to gameplan to minimize his weaknesses not to leverage his ability to play QB at the NFL level. Again, the running game must work and I can add that the D has to be almost perfoect to manage and win with TT’s limited ability. You are smoking crack if you think TT is the long term answer at QB. Here we go with the bogus yards argument. He had good games in each of those contests if you were watching at all with little to no support from the run game. I'm in favor of drafting a QB as a potential franchise guy with regard to your crack comment. Edited November 3, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz
paulbills Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 So the first half (11-14, 115 yards, 1 TD) didn't count? See, when you make an asinine statement like that, it makes me hope that your post count will remain at 23. So he played his best when we only put up 7 pts in 3 quarters as opposed to putting up 14 in the 4th quarter garbage time? btw, 200 or so yards, 1 td and less than 30 attempts sounds like an average Tyrod game, win or lose, how in the world can you say Tyrod playing average and conservative is any better than when he almost broke 300 yds in the 4th? you realize he ended the game with 40 attempts right? lmao crazy.
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Im just not a believer that you get bigger in those situations. If you are being dominated by the front 7 my response is to get front 7 players off the field and DBs on. 7? It didn't take 7 to beat our line. The supposed blockers hardly laid a glove on anyone Kirby. The Jets stayed absolutely with their plan whichever personnel we trotted out. They rushed 5 pretty much all night, played Shady on the way to Tyrod and it worked because their 5 beat our 5 every darn time. Edited November 3, 2017 by GunnerBill
billsfan60 Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 How many NFL QBs would have been better under those EXACT same circumstances last night? I think that 7 sacks was the absolute minimum that any QB would have had yesterday. Tyrod was blamed for 2 but he escaped at least 2 that only he would. He completed 72% of the passes. This was just so bad up front you cant blame the QB or backs. They had no prayer. That was my point. With better QB play those EXACT same circumstances wouldn't have existed.
grb Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 So he played his best when we only put up 7 pts in 3 quarters as opposed to putting up 14 in the 4th quarter garbage time? Ok, now you've made me curious : You did see two promising drives into Jet's territory torpedo'ed via turnovers, right? Or did that fact slip your mind.....
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 7? It didn't take 7 to beat our line. They hardly layed a glove on anyone Kirby. The Jets stayed absolutely with their plan whichever personnel we trotted out. They rushed 5 pretty much all night, played Shady on the way to Tyrod and it worked because their 5 beat our 5 every darn time.I am not disagreeing at all. We were thoroughly DOMINATED at the LOS on both sides of the ball. When that is the case you have to do things differently. My response would have been to spread the field. I would have been in 10 or 11 (with Oleary in the slot) all night. I also would have been in the gun.
BuffaloBill Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 Here we go with the bogus yards argument. He had good games in each of those contests if you were watching at all with little to no support from the run game. I'm in favor of drafting a QB as a potential franchise guy with regard to your crack comment. I agree yards is a bogus argument if you look at it on a single game basis. That is not my point. My point is that Tyrod has a ceiling - period. Look at his whole body of work. There are some very consistent and disturbing issues beyond the yards: 1) He can’t win from behind 2) He is consistantly bad on the road 3) His play is very much predicated on the existence of a strong run game and he struggles to win without it (unless others around him - especially the D have an exceptional game) 4) He is never going to win because he never has won in an offensive shootout game 5) Like many other mediocre QB’s in front of him over the past 17 years the excuses remain consistent - he doesn’t have the talent needed around him, the line did not pay well enough, the receivers don’t get enough separation, etc. Do I think the Bills can and will get to the playoffs with him - yes, probably but under the very difficult condition that the rest of the team - especially the D must play exceptional football.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 That was my point. With better QB play those EXACT same circumstances wouldn't have existed. Please elaborate? PFF blames Tyrod for 2 sacks, 1 hit & 1 hurry plus the fumble. I think that he escaped AT LEAST 2 sacks that every other QB would have taken. He completed 72% of his passes. What would someone else have done. Your point is that other guys would have been better. I am asking you to define what plays they would have made that he didnt?
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 I am not disagreeing at all. We were thoroughly DOMINATED at the LOS on both sides of the ball. When that is the case you have to do things differently. My response would have been to spread the field. I would have been in 10 or 11 (with Oleary in the slot) all night. I also would have been in the gun. I understand what you are saying... I believe it would have resulted in another 7 sacks. There was enough 11 personnel plays that ended up with Tyrod having a guy in his grill to tell me it would have made no difference. Blockers have to block.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 I understand what you are saying... I believe it would have resulted in another 7 sacks. There was enough 11 personnel plays that ended up with Tyrod having a guy in his grill to tell me it would have made no difference. Blockers have to block. Of course, but the response shouldnt have been to get bigger or go under center. All that you were doing was adding more players to the spots where we were struggling. They were playing without Claiborne too. The game plan was awful and the adjustments worse. The Bills got physically dominated and tried to double down on what wasnt working. Thats foolish IMO.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 I agree yards is a bogus argument if you look at it on a single game basis. That is not my point. My point is that Tyrod has a ceiling - period. Look at his whole body of work. There are some very consistent and disturbing issues beyond the yards: 1) He can’t win from behind 2) He is consistantly bad on the road 3) His play is very much predicated on the existence of a strong run game and he struggles to win without it (unless others around him - especially the D have an exceptional game) 4) He is never going to win because he never has won in an offensive shootout game 5) Like many other mediocre QB’s in front of him over the past 17 years the excuses remain consistent - he doesn’t have the talent needed around him, the line did not pay well enough, the receivers don’t get enough separation, etc. Do I think the Bills can and will get to the playoffs with him - yes, probably but under the very difficult condition that the rest of the team - especially the D must play exceptional football. 1) and 4) were just accomplished two weeks ago vs. the Buccaneers 3) I think we already know he's not a QB who's going to carry a team. The Bills are built to win a certain way that's not exactly a revelation.
grb Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 2) He is consistantly bad on the road 3) His play is very much predicated on the existence of a strong run game and he struggles to win without it (unless others around him - especially the D have an exceptional game) New York - Week 1 : The running backs gain 154 yards at 4.47 yards a carry. Taylor throws for 224 yards, runs for 38 yards. New York - Week 9 : The running backs gain 28 yards at 1.75 yards a carry. Taylor throws for 285 yards, runs for 35 yards
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 Of course, but the response shouldnt have been to get bigger or go under center. All that you were doing was adding more players to the spots where we were struggling. They were playing without Claiborne too. The game plan was awful and the adjustments worse. The Bills got physically dominated and tried to double down on what wasnt working. Thats foolish IMO. Nothing was working and I don't know how anything could have worked when there was zero blocking.
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